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Shayne Gables, YouTube Knife Reviewer
The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 358)

00:05
Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast, your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting.
Here's your host, Bob the knife junkie DeMarco.
Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast.
I'm Bob DeMarco.
On this edition of the show, I'm speaking with Knife World denizen, YouTuber and the man behind Knives live.
The fundraiser, Shayne Gables.
I first met Shayne in the comments on Thursday night.

00:34
Knives where he always offered insights or Intel on whatever knife community issues we were discussing, and he always delivered it with honesty and wit, which always got my attention.
Then I had the good fortune.
Of meeting Shayne in person at Blade Show this year and we had what was to me a memorable conversation about all things knives and knife world also got very personal which I appreciated.
On Friday and Saturday, November 4th and 5th, Shane will be producing his second Knives live 24 hour live feed to benefit knife rights which raised a bundle for Doug Ritter's outfit last year.
Some of those dollars no doubt helped make autos legal in my state of Virginia in 2022, so thank you.
Pain and all that were involved last year.
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01:23
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02:06
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Shane, it's good to have you on this side of the camera on the Knife Junkie podcast.
Welcome to the show Sir.
It's good to be here, so I want to congratulate you on the announcement of your Second Knives live 24 hour live feed.
Tell me about last year's show and how you came up with this idea.
A little bit of a long story, Bob, but we're here.

02:43
I'm glad you asked because I noticed on the.
The very professional looking promo for this video.
You know that said that I was the the founder of not alive, so I'm glad to get to tell this this story because it wasn't just me.
What happened was uh.
I became a fan of grateful panic knife for these and.
If any of you guys that have ever been to grateful panics, live streams, they they kind of became infamous for.
Yeah, they may roll on for 2345 hours into the late night hours and.

03:19
At the time he was the only one doing that and we rarely ever talked about knives, but.
We were all there one night, you know, just having conversation and and making friends.
And I don't remember how OKC did it, but Casey from Nasas.
Had commented to John about he should just go ahead and do a 24 hour live stream.
And nothing else was said about it.
And as soon as the live stream was over, it was probably 2-3 o'clock in the morning.
I called grateful Panic on Instagram.

03:54
Yeah, I called him through Instagram and I was like, hey.
Let's do that.
And, and I'll be completely open and honest, when we first came up with this idea, the reason for it was to.
Our main motivation was to cross promote channels.
You know, we wanted to have this 24 hour live stream with 24 slots, each channel does an hour and maybe invite some guests on.
And it was like I said our our primary motivation was to expose people to channels that they may have not seen before.
And.

04:28
We just, man, we just brainstormed for two or three hours.
I mean till the sun came up and.
You would realize we're going to do this, you know, let's do it for a cause and.
And Naproxen was the first thing that came to mind just because it seemed appropriate.
You know, these are all knife channels, Doug and and knife rights, which if you guys don't know knife rights is Doug, his life and an attorney.
So, yeah, you know, and and they don't.
You know, there's not a big organization that they have helped them do all this.

04:58
So anyway, we picked up rights.
And, you know, we started brainstorming about how, you know we would take taking super chats and.
All those would go to knife rights and then we'd realize that super chats you only get 70% of and we didn't want you to taking that money and.
I don't remember whose idea it was.
I don't want to rob them of that credit, but they was like, you know, somebody mentioned it, maybe we should do it.
A little differently.
And.

05:27
Shortly after John Evans, who most of you guys know is Javon, we we did not even Javon because his his screen name is J Evans knife addict.
I can't remember the whole thing but.
Much easier just to call him Jovan.
He got involved because John was.
He works for one of the cable companies, pretty much.
He his job is online marketing and stuff like that.
And because once I started sending out messages asking people if they wanted to do this and everybody was jumping on board, instantly questions started coming up that I couldn't answer.

06:04
And you know I I very quickly learned that I've gotten in way over my head and I know what I was doing.
So you know thank God for, for John Evans picking up that slack and.
You know we he's the one that kind of came up with the the method and the method was we would start promoting it.
We cross promoted on Facebook.
And we're trying to get people to donate directly to knifefrost.org.
So what we did was we said that for every $10 you donated, you got one entry into the grand prize people.
But if you bought a yearly membership which is $35, that got you 4. Ohh upon completing your donation and not frost.org to e-mail you a receipt.

06:52
So you would take that receipt and forward it to John Evans.
He entered that into a spreadsheet.
That contained all you know, all the entries.
What was so great about it was maybe other than than nafrat's other huge giveaway they do.
To my knowledge it was the the biggest knife giveaway in a 24 hour period I've ever seen.
Because each time slot and everybody participate, even the guests you know who did guest spots, they all gave a diet away during their time slot.
So you had knife giveaways going on all night?

07:30
And leading up to it, we had all of the knives donated for the grand prize.
Some of those were just viewers, some were from manufacturers, distributors.
All that was being forwarded to left EDC and I remember at one point in time left he sent me a picture of his living room which was virtually unusable because of the amount of gear.
There was piling up in boxes.
I actually started feeling guilty.
I started asking people to stop.
It was just too much stuff, you know, and we ended up doing.

08:05
Think 5 grand prize packages.
All of them were.
Excellent.
I don't know another word you use.
You know, it was if a guy was brand new to DC, he could one of those packages and not needed them.
So it was awesome.
So you had.

08:21
You know, 20 to 30 winners tonight of that were, you know, winning on the hourly slots and then you had.
Gives four or five grand prize winners a week later.
But the best thing about it, though Bob was the.
The way it brought all of us together, you know, all these content creators came together and.
You know, we all talk on a daily basis now.
You know, we we've made some really good friendships out of it and because we're all combined now, it it makes it much easier for us to do.
Grand things when needed, such as you know.

09:01
You know, our friend Jason Brown just passed away and.
There have been multiple.
Multiple.
Fundraisers for that, you know, from there's been.
You know just auctions on people's you know their their weekly lives that that have raised two and $3000 that a pop.
You know and we've had a we've still got the 86 round table is.
Right now is is about to release their information on their huge raffle.

09:32
That's the same way there's multiple multiple packages going to be given away.
So if you if you donate to that and get a few slots in.
I don't want to say the number because I don't wanna get it wrong, but it made a lot, a lot of opportunities to win.
So the fact that we all are have kind of come together and and make that kind of thing possible.
What do you think accounts for I mean the closeness I understand in in terms of the sequence of events that led to a closeness in the knife in this sector the knife community that you're talking about but.
You know, besides those sequin, you don't see that kind of closeness in other enthusiast groups.
At least you don't in the martial arts community that that I'm also a part of, like I I see a lot of people bickering about techniques and and that kind of thing.

10:28
What do you think accounts for the closeness?
Because I had a phone call, I'm going to mention who it was I talked to yesterday because I don't have permission to but.
I told him that I thought it would be really cool to see somebody do a study on this and figure out how something is robotic as a YouTube algorithm.
Brought brought these people together.
And when I see these people, I don't just being the content creators.
I mean these same guys that you see in the comment section of every single live stream, you know, we're all, we're all in discords and and Instagram chat groups together.
We talk every day.

11:06
You know and.
To me the the common denominator is not nice, it's all.
Past struggles, you know, whether it be addictions or depression or.
Whatever, you know, something brought us down.
We found this community and realized that we're all just as screwed up as the next guy and that that kind of brought us together for the most part.
And you have some that are that are in for the knives.
Don't give me wrong, but.

11:38
That's what I thought.
You know the the fact that we all we all needed something or somebody.
And we found that here.
That is interesting.
I mean the the idea of you doing a this may have been tongue in cheek but doing a study of that and figuring out what it is about.
I mean because initially of course it is the knives that that brings someone knocking on the door so to speak, but and and interest in that.
But once you're in the door and you see the people there and and why they are interested in that thing and you see the commonalities.

12:14
Yeah, but again, like I said, yes, it it might not be about the knives in particular, but still I I feel like you don't see that as much in other enthusiast groups.
And I've been trying to get down to the bottom of that too, you know?
I've been in the pupu groups, you know, and fishing groups and stuff like that.
And if you dared to bring up a personal issue or conversation in those groups, man, that was that was the career suicide, you know what I mean?
And it's just different here.
I don't know how to explain it, you know, but.
I wish I could bring mention these sounds.

12:53
I don't want to mention anybody's names without permission, but I was in another late Night Live recently.
You know, we're a fairly new guy came in.
And I've seen him in a couple of chats, but he was, he was pretty new to the community and he came into this live right in the middle of a conversation about about addiction.
All.
And he was, I was a little worried at first because, you know, his first reaction was, you know, you guys talking about drugs and addiction.
And we're like yeah, you know, we're we're kind of open to talk about anything here.
But within 30 minutes you know that guy nearly everybody in the groups in tears.

13:31
You know he's he's spilling his guts you know and talk about what he's going through and how badly he's been looking for a group of like minded people to you know just to talk about his problems and you know now he's a he's an everyday or you know he's right there one of the guys and it's it's
amazing to see it really is.
It's like group group therapy but without it being.
Guided by anyone in particular, like a therapist.
It's like people coming together, you know?
It reminds me of like schools of art.
When you look in history, you know and.

14:06
You know, like minded artists kind of come together and they're all kind of confused about what's going on and they all have their baggage, but together they sort of form a loose affiliation and and and and out of that comes like a a school of like a type of painting or a type of sculpture or
something like that.
It kind of seems like, kind of seems like the same thing here and now.
And it has to do with here and now.
It's not just oh, it's the it's knives that brings people together and does this.
It happens to be here and now and who knows, it could flash away or whatever.
You know, however things grow and evolve and then maybe there's a period of time in the knife enthusiast group where there's not that because the right combination of people is isn't there kind of like a band and and and guys if you're new to all this or you're.

14:56
Thinking about joining task, this is not something you have to be a part of.
It's not.
You know, it's not prevalent.
It's kind of a behind, I won't say behind closed doors, but you have to know where to find these places.
You know that we're meeting and talking about these kind of things, you know, so, you know, I don't want anybody that just wants to be a casual knife fan to think that.
You know that they have to talk about that.
No, it's not.

15:20
Eyes wide shut.
No, but, but what it has also resulted in is a lot of really good content and also a lot of you know when enthusiasts get together and standards are sort of developed or standards sort of percolate out of everyone's dialogue, it starts to make the knife makers, the people who are making the knives
and manufacturing the knives kind of holds their feet to the fire.
Because now you have a a big group of people and they know what they want and and.
Now you can start getting away with less and less.
As a manufacturer, how have you seen that kind of happen?
Best example is is very recent, actually was.

16:03
You know, I had never looked into buying a hog hog knife.
This was probably a year and a half ago.
I don't ever forget.
I think it was the very first comments ever made on your show.
Umm.
I was new to it and I commented that I that I had bought a Benchmade grip peg and I had an hour and had to send it back because that's just off.
The spring didn't break.

16:26
It actually popped out of the hole in the frame and got wedged between the scale.
And the and the the liner.
Anyway, I sent it back and I'll never forget because when I brought it up you said.
You should have bought a hook.
Well, I did.
And at that point I wasn't into.
Steels, yeah, and I wasn't into quality heat treats.

16:51
I didn't really know that much about that kind of stuff and didn't care.
So I did purchase a couple of home products and I and I love them.
I still do.
And it wasn't until I got into researching quality heat trees that I realized how grander 20 CV a little bit soft.
I think they could get away with it more than others because of their.
They're great blade geometry, so we didn't even win.
Age dull, they still cut.

17:20
But when they released Magna cut.
I think their first their first batch of Magna Cutting knives was it.
59 to 60 and the community lost their minds.
You know they were just highly upset talking about how bad they wanted these knives, but they were not buying it at that.
And in their defense, a lot of people don't remember this, but 59 to 61 HRC.
Was Larrian's original target.
That's what he originally told people to hatred.

17:51
So they just they went by.
You know, the doctors advice, but it was quickly realized that Magneto was so much better, way better.
6364 it was 65 because it's very unusual for us still to gain toughness at a higher HRC.
But magnitude does.
It's a whole immediately changed that.
And now the same thing happened with Greg Medford.
You know, he, he had on his website that his, uh, his magnet cut was going to be at 59 to 61. And there was an immediate public outrage and.

18:29
And he fixed it, you know, so it's proof, you know, if everybody comes together, you know, and we agree on something, something's not right, we we can make it right.
Yeah.
And that that outrage is actually a gift to the manufacturer because that can that can save them a hell of a lot of money in the long run.
Because you can see people, you know.
You can, you can just, you know, if you've been following knives long enough, you can see trends and you can see how people go nuts about something for a while and it's hot and heavy and then.
And then it vaporizes.
That can happen with you know, it's less likely to happen to a hog which is USA made super quality in a family business and all that stuff.

19:11
Everyone wants them to do well and they do do well, but you know and life company can disappear pretty easily if people lose faith.
Right.
And another thing.
I think some people get upset about the outrage.
And some people handle it differently than others.
I will mention channels, but there are some people out there that.
You know, they get really upset at some channels about how they present their passion and how they present issues and but keep in mind.

19:39
The only other option is to keep your mouth shut and not purchase it.
That that does nothing for the for the maker if you're just being quiet, not buying it.
Because you're not happy then.
They don't know.
They don't know why people aren't buying their knives.
And just like you said, they can go away.
You know, we've seen it proof of that in the past two years then.

20:01
You know.
30 days of of of bad can literally just make a company disappear forever.
So who are you talking about?
Which channels or which companies, which company?
I'm just right here locally, you know, with the.
You know with with the pandemic stuff.
Ohh.

20:19
I get what you're saying.
Yeah, it doesn't take a lot of time of them losing money before they just disappear and don't come back.
OK, I see what you're saying because I have been, I've been racking my brain for companies that were that did come on hot and heavy.
Real steel came on.
Real or no steel will.
Came on real hot and heavy and and other and and other companies did.
And now you know you you don't really see hide nor hair of them and I I don't know, I don't know why that is, but it could be.

20:48
What's that?
I still had some of the worst tested edge retention of any knife company I've ever seen.
And maybe that wasn't their fault, you know, they could have been contracting that out, but I think that hurt them a lot.
That's some great looking designs.
You know, I was all about them there for a little while until.
I made the mistake of diving down the rabbit hole with Outpost 76. He's got excellent, excellent prediction chart, HRC charts.
And then I got into that and overnight it changed my mind about everything.

21:28
And you know, you start saying these companies that that are very hot and very popular and you realize that they're.
Their heat trees aren't very good, you know, and some of them are premium companies are paying a lot of money for.
Don't tell me.
I don't wanna know.
No, I'm just kidding.
What?
So what's your?

21:50
Third day in July.
Don't, don't, don't go down that rabbit hole.
Ohh what you like.
Enjoy it.
Because it ruins a lot of knives for me, to be honest.
Oh yeah.
I mean, you know, I don't.

21:59
I don't even know what I mean.
You know, because I don't push anything I have to anywhere near its limit.
Who, who knows?
My hinderers could all be like H8 CR 13 MOV for all I know.
Oh God, I'm embarrassed to admit that but so I don't think they are either.
But so what's your?
What is your real house?

22:21
Then you said that that just seeing his HRC chart kind of changed your view on on a whole bunch of companies overnight kind of where were you and where are you now.
And I know and I'd like you to bring up the your purge of of foreign made knives as well.
Yeah that that's what caused that.
Just like everybody else I got into when I got into knives.
You know every week not every week every night you know when I got into a. You know, whatever YouTuber rezoned had a live show that night.
I was watching it.
We were talking about what they just got.

22:57
You know, how would shrink that screen and go to Blade HQ and look at what they're talking about?
Like, hey, I can afford that.
And so I started out buying a ton of budget apps.
And I I started getting that feeling that it wasn't.
That it wasn't necessarily the knives.
I think I was addicted to that endorphin rush when I pulled up and stick that box on the porch.
And that scared me a little, you know, because I didn't really know if the Nazi even meant that much to me.

23:26
But when I got into, you know, the quality heat treats and seeing what a steel could do.
Naturally.
That led me to Spyderco.
Because.
And unless you're, unless you're having enough custom made.
By the right custom maker, because they don't all do it great either.
They're out some out there that do, but unless you're having a nice custom made.

23:52
In my opinion, you're not going to get a a better heat treat consistently than you can from Spyderco.
I wasn't a fan of spider coves.
Looks to be honest with you.
But when I started seeing that that a Spyderco in 20 CV.
Was cutting.
5 to 600 feet before it would no longer cut paper.
And almost everybody elses was cutting green.

24:22
Bob, I've never cooked 500 feet, of course.
That's the funny part of it is I don't need it, but.
But it's just knowing that, that that somebody cared enough, you know, to put that kind of quality into it as what turned me into a aspire to fanboys, bad as I don't want to be one.
And they're not the only ones out there.
Like I said, you know who's doing a good job.
They're made to cut down, bench made, has, you know, has some steels they do an excellent job in.
All but 33 anyway.

24:55
So when I started chasing after these better knives.
I kind of talked about this last night, but I live in a town where in the past.
In the past 1015 years of almost all of the best paying jobs at this point, they've all gone through seas, you know, so I've seen.
Everybody's families affected by it.
I've seen the struggle that has caused now we we haven't seen the worst of times yet.
You know our little town is doing OK but anyway that that kind of lit a fire under me about a. About trying to buy American when I can.
Uh, we we can't avoid buying foreign made products anymore.

25:38
We just can't.
But.
Super Steel Steve put out a video about it that really hit home with me and.
And what he was saying.
And very few people absorbed this because Steve's personality was so abrasive that they heard bits and pieces and just left assuming that he was just hateful.
What he was saying was that.
After you if all you can afford is this a V9.

26:03
And you'll need it for, you know, your job or whatever, for whatever reason.
You if that's all you can afford.
And bowling because they make some good knives.
But what he was talking about was us people who were purchasing way more knives than we need.
Which means that that is expendable income.
He's like, you know.
Try to stop sitting your expendable income to China.

26:31
So I tempted to do that and I'll be completely honest guys, I went from a a box a week on my front porch, so I bought her a couple of months.
So, you know, it wasn't easy, but I'm way, way happier with with the product that I have now.
You know, I went from about 100 and.
3000 and 40 knife collection down to less than 40 at this point, but I wouldn't trade back for anything in the world.
No, I gave all those types away.
The reason I did that was because I wasn't familiar with even how to sell a product online.
I just wasn't willing to learn.

27:10
So I just started giving them away.
You know, I didn't post, hey, I got this knife.
Who wants it?
I had so many knives that I would see somebody in the chat talking about a, you know, a savvy dogma.
And somebody else mentioned how much they like to have that knife.
They just can't afford it.
So I him on IG should be right.

27:32
And I'd send them my dog money.
That's cool.
We're going about a year, you know, I'd given away about 100 knives.
Looking back on that, you know, the average value of 50 bucks, that was $5000, you know, and shipping.
10 bucks a pop shipping.
Yeah, but that's that's priceless.
That's priceless karma, or good karma or whatever that's called.

27:55
That's Christ.
That's that's you did, you did something good there and the universe was going to remember that, you know, like I think a lot about.
You hear people say you know you, your possessions begin to own you.
And I don't know exactly how that saying goes, but it's like something like that.
If you're not careful, the things that you possess will possess you.
And I kind of am just always, constantly on the brink of that, because there's.
Um, because I like.

28:27
For instance, right now I'm into bowies and there are so many Bowie knives I don't have.
And yes, it's kind of ridiculous.
I don't.
I'm not out there on the range or or getting in knife duels, but.
So you, you start accumulating things like that and suddenly you look at and you're like, oh God, you know, I have too much.
And for me right now, it's not the Bowie knives, but I do have a bunch of, say, survival knives.
You know, I have 7 survival knives.

28:56
And I, you know, I I called them emotional support knives.
I carry them around to flip them.
You know, they're fidget stones.
They're comfort stones, but.
I I still own Chinese napsi, I still have very few.
But the other ones that I have kept.
Have meaning, you know, like.

29:16
To leave your rifle to Andrew while you're laughing gear mine was the 1st.
Folding pocket knife he ever made?
Custom color scale sport.
And it is.
You you can't.
It sucks because you can't put a picture of it on Instagram.
Yeah, it's got it's got not notorious or chatoyance.

29:36
What do they call that?
That shiny thing.
Visional, there's death.
It's just absolutely beautiful.
And you know, I'll never get rid of that night, you know?
And I tell people all the time.
It's a fine knife.

29:49
It it really is.
You know, I am pro American made, but I won't deny that I could get rid of every, every knife I own and keep that rifle and and I'd be fine, you know, it's good night.
You know, I've been accused of being a. The Chinese knife hater and and that's by my own.
That's my own fault.
You know, I've gotten a little too passionate about it at times, but but I'm not.
I just.
I just, I just want to see as much promotion of American stuff as as other Chinese and very few.

30:21
Youtubers are able to keep that balance off.
You can keep.
You keep that balance well.
I feel like Jerry Knee keeps that balance well.
Of you know, I tried to really, as honest as I can when I talk about anything.
You know, you had me a Chinese knife and it's a good documentary, man.
It's a nice night you know and and I too wish that we could buy American made equivalents at least close to the same price but.

30:49
You know, yeah.
I mean, to your, to your point and to Steve's point, you can't avoid you.
You want a fountain pen or, you know, you want a ballpoint pen.
It's going to be made in China.
You want anything?
You want an iPhone.
It's going to be made in China.

31:02
But but the things that we do have control, more control over, like our disposable incomes.
Yeah, we can we can save and and get something made here.
Yeah, I, I see that.
I, I try to do that.
And the way I do that mostly is custom.
Fixed blade knives.
Think custom knives that I can afford are are.

31:28
Or something that's a new kind of Ave for me, but that you said something before that that struck me.
You were talking about the 20 CV spider code that you know is perfectly heat treated and that you for your needs don't necessarily need that.
But knowing that that it's very, very well done and is a like perfect example of that stuff, that's beautiful.
It reminds me of my grandmother, 10, yoreli would say was very frugal.
Grew up in the depression, was I was like, I hope you never have to go through this a depression.
Which I I too hope that.
But she she always said get the very best you can afford.

32:12
If you're going to spend the money on something, get the best you can afford so it makes sense.
If you're going to buy a Spyderco and you're not a knife a day on the front porch kind of guy, you're a knife every couple of months, guy.
Yes, spend that extra money and get the best you can afford because you will also, if you need to or want to sell it downstream, you'll get the most for it.
I don't know if you remember this may telling you when we talked at Blake show, but.
I the knives that I bought at Blade show.
Or the.
How to word this?

32:47
We're the first ones I've bought since the prior blood show, except for one.
So words I bought one knife.
Um, between black chips, you know, and I saved my money up and I had a good idea of what I. You know what I was looking for when I got there?
And you know, I went in, I bought those knives.
Now I've acquired a couple of knives.
Six place, so this year, but last year.
It was good for me, you know.

33:12
It was good building my.
I forget the word.
Anyway, it was good for me to make myself stop purchasing knives and and hold out like I did.
But it made blade show and the purchase.
The purchases that I did make so much better, you know, I enjoyed them so much more.
I'm really fortunate.
That I'm not a fan.

33:36
Of titanium frame locks, ohh yes you are.
The reason I say that is because unfortunate because I can't afford them anyway.
I love them.
I appreciate them.
They just don't work good for me.
I have something shoes that I've talked about multiple times, but they don't work great for me.
So I'm, I'm fortunate there that I'm not having to chase, you know, 400 to eight $9000.

34:04
The folders.
So I'm really happy in this 150 to $200.00 American made knife.
Place that I am right now.
You're also in a good place because you have a channel and you have a lot of friends and and I would imagine like I just I had the opportunity to check out a. Grimsmo Norseman, which I never I've never owned one and I've never held one, and one of my awesome viewers and patrons.
Had one come to me before it went to him?
You know, he bought one new and he gave me a chance to check it out.
And man, what an experience.

34:41
What a beautiful knife and what a what a perfect work of handmade, you know, machine made, handmade, man-made tooling and and tool.
And I loved it while I had it, but now I know I don't need one.
I really like it.
And and it would be great for the DeMarco Museum of cutlery, but I don't need a Museum of cutlery.
So.
So it was nice to experience, but also nice to send along, like being an uncle very early and into my channel.
Within the first month I had a Norseman loaned to me to review.

35:19
I chose not to post a review for it, you know, looking back on it now as far as.
You know, your YouTube career, what you should and shouldn't do.
I should have, but I didn't because.
I had a great appreciation.
For the knife and for the craftsmanship.
But, but I wasn't a fan.
Didn't know how to express that without sounding negative.

35:44
Or, you know, not that I thought my little tiny channel was going to influence somebody not to buy a knife, but I chose not to do the review.
But you're right.
I've got to handle.
Some awesome stuff.
Yeah.
I don't know if you know who he is.
There's a guy got a channel with his name Satu Dave.

36:00
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's a big fan of the the Satu and.
Sato has sent me knives to loan.
We're just this recent couple that that he sent me.
If I if something happened to those knives and I lost them, I couldn't pay for them with every knife on.
You know, that's scary.
But it's also such it's great that I get to experience those without paying the money for them because I I won't pay the money for them because I won't carry them.

36:33
And he knows that he knows they're not my style of knives but he knows I like to experience them.
So you know, right now the only titanium frame lock and if I owned is a Chris Jericho Benza and I feel like it's all I need.
You know and it's not the easiest stuff to open for me.
Yeah.
With the with the pointy little.
Yeah.
It is not the easiest knife to open and I have relatively thin fingers and like it should work well.

36:58
I have.
I have hands like Chris Reeves son, Tim Reeve, you know, think it should work.
Yeah, you actually kind of resemble a little bit.
Yeah, he's a great guy.
He is.
So who do you think does it best?
Uh, I know you said Spider coat.

37:16
You like spider coat?
In your collection, is that is that what you think is the best stuff?
Is that your favorite?
Are those your favorite knives in your collection?
I don't own either.
Either one of these makers knives, but I've seen the test results.
And I've researched the people enough and their product enough to know.

37:37
If I if I had to pick, it would be hard because this is a tie between my talk to it right now.
I don't think anybody does a better heat treat.
The big brown bear and or.
Right, three transparent knives and Alex steingraber.
Any of those three, you can't go wrong.
You know, they're all still nerds, you know, they're, they're all pushing the very outer limits of what steels can do.
I mean, you see that if you follow Brian's Instagram, he's throwing blades away every day, you know, because he's pushing them to the point of failure.

38:12
You're, you know, he's pushing the point that they're, they crack wide open when he takes them out of the oven, you know, because he wants to know what that 10 degree difference will do.
And guys pushing the limits like that is what leads to.
You know, because they're all very generous in sharing their heat treat recipes.
And yeah, so they'll just put it out there on the Internet for the world to see.
And that way, what do y'all find an example of the knife I'm the most excited about coming out right now is the new Spyderco Mannix 2IN15V.
And Spyderco used triple B or big brown bear.
Have you know him at they used his hit tree.

38:52
So it's kind of a collaboration.
It was their design, but it's his heat treat.
And I can tell you right now if if they if they even got close to Triple B's heat treat recipe on 15V.
It it may be 1000 foot cutter.
You know, that's entirely possible.
It may take over K390 Rex 45. You know it's going to be at least in the top five of edge retention knives, everybody, so.
I'm excited about the it's $156, Bob.

39:26
What $156 for this night?
G10 scales.
15V with triple BE treat recipe.
Wow.
It's enough for the year.
I don't care what anybody says.
It's the night of the year.

39:43
You know it's not going to win that because it's a 10 year old design right.
Right, right.
I'm looking forward to the the military too.
We've had the paramilitary paramilitary too.
Forever.
The military too I've been wanting for so long.
They have.

39:57
They have it so that you can have it tip up and it comes with a compression lock which ohh man.
To me, I'm.
I'm so ready for that.
Because, uh, the pair.
The paramilitary, too, has always been an awkward design for me.
I've always liked the expanded lines of the military.
You know, you kind of.

40:17
P and two or paramilitary 2. The thumb ramp.
I don't know about you, but it does not land where my thumb needs to be.
My thumb ends up right at the Crest, so it's poking into my thumb.
So I have to back up on it to a spot that's a lot less comfortable for me.
But with the military it's not that because of it being bigger, it it corrects that issue and I own the military, but I'll be honest.
I don't mind the tip down.
I don't get it.

40:46
I don't get why people dislike it if you can't if you carry a tip down knife or two or three days.
You're going to forget that it's tipped down.
You know, I think that I think the real issue lies in the detent.
You have the the detent has to be a certain strength, otherwise the danger of it opening up and slicing your hand is there.
And I I think that that's what it is for me because with the military and with the SOCOM elite, those are two I've always excused because I've had no choice in the matter because there's such cool knives that I can excuse the tip down nature of them.
And and and.
Have it down where I can pull it out and you know have it ready to bear for that knife fight that that just pops up because that's the only reason you'd need to really deploy your knife quickly like that.

41:35
So really it's no issue.
But but it did excite me to get the to get the SOCOM Bravo tip up.
The Reich made one and it was cool to get.
It is cool to look forward to that military too.
Let me ask you actually while while we're talking about this Microtech.
Uh, came out with first the SOCOM Bravo and now they have the.
What's the other one that they're?

42:05
It's the night that they usually ohh the annex, also made by by Reich knife.
So those are the first two knives they've ever made offshore and they chose a very talented knife maker knife making company that's good at sculptural stuff and all that.
I was I got to say I have one and I really like it, but I wish I was kind of shocked by that move, only because they've always been very.
Vocal about how everything is American made.
It's sort of like if you're not vocal about it and then you do something like that, no one notices but if you spend a lot of time.
Um, you know, I don't want to say bragging, but you know, boasting that you're all American made and then you start doing that, it looks a little funny.
I don't know.

42:48
What did you think about that?
I was I wasn't happy with the.
I wasn't happy with the fact that they had to do it.
And that's different than saying I wasn't happy with the fact that they did it.
I wasn't happy with the fact that they had to do it.
What I mean by that is.
They're hard enough.

43:12
Skilled working Americans anymore to take these jobs or willing to do these jobs?
In order for Microtech to be able to up their production to be able to sell enough.
Market so coms.
But the demand that was created for they're just not.
So it was either.
They they have the bravo made overseas.
They changed, you know, they added bravo to it so that you can distinctly tell the difference.

43:41
They came right in out and said where it was going to be made and why.
That lesson is to blow some, you know.
At least they didn't.
Try to sneak into it.
But like I said, I'm, I'm more upset about the fact that they had to.
About the fact that they did.
No.

43:59
What do you do?
Yeah, it's a much, much bigger issue.
We've had conversations about we wish.
Rich they would do this.
We wish fish may would do that while I was at Blade show.
I went up the Benchmade booth and I talked to him and I asked him what the odds of them ever bringing back the Contigo were, because I feel like it's the best made.
And he said we have no plans of ever bringing back the contego.

44:25
Have you tried the Adonis?
And I've owned it.
Honest.
I I get it.
It's a better, it's a better knife.
We've had to sell one.
I'd sell my donnas.

44:37
Still love the contego, but the Adonis is a better knife.
But the reason I bring that up the point is.
Which bag makes?
Is it 36,000 miles of week or a month?
I'm not sure.
That Zach stuff was talking about it, and it's not enough.
They're in the same boat that Microtech seems they they can't.

44:57
There's no point in talking about a new model when they don't have enough people.
To to work that new assembly line.
There's no point in complaining about bringing something back or changing anything.
When they're in a position right now where they can't produce enough of what they make.
To fill orders you know.
Tim Reeves in the same position right now, you know, his books are backed up months, maybe over a year.
You know why?

45:25
Why would they listen to any request that we have when they're like and we can't do what we're doing, much less something different?
So I get it, you know?
I'm just appreciate it.
It was almost about it.
Yeah, there's, I mean that's also a good reminder too and this is kind of counter of what we've been saying.
It sounds a little materialistic, but it's also a good indication if there's a knife that you're really into, save up for it and get it because they go away at.
And you know, I'm a huge cold steel guy since 1987, since I was in high school, man.

46:02
I love cold steel.
Always will and.
I just, I just got one last week.
A Bowie knife.
That's what I you know, that's one of my favorite things that they do.
These big fixed blade knives and.
I have realized that there are some things that they made a while ago, you know, years and years ago at this point that I thought would I sort of assumed they'd always make.

46:24
They went away, they were available in in stock for a while and and secondary and now they're like the desperado.
You can't find that knife anywhere, ever, on the secondary.
And that's a knife I would always like to have for my collection and that's a collectors kind of issue, but.
I recently had somebody contact me about sharpening their.
Their Recon excel and.
So I looked it up and I was like, man, I don't know if it's a good idea to sharpen that night if he's like, what do you mean?
I was like, that thing's selling for like 7 or $800.00 on eBay right now and I never heard back from him, so I'm sure he sold it.

47:04
I really didn't want to put an edge on it, you know?
I didn't want to hurt the resale value, but.
Yeah, it's still crazy to me though, Bob, when the the part that really confuses me and almost upsets me is when I see.
The prices that are being paid for certain products.
Foreign and domestic.
This weekend on Zach stuff, he was talking about the new crew wear.
Very thing in.

47:33
Hunting knife, fixed blade, hunting knife that they've got.
And 300 and something dollars.
For a fixed point, for a production fixed blade knife and.
Man, I want to promote Benchmade all I can.
But then then I also found out that the very same time.
Right now, if they have any left, you can go to Bradford's website.
You can buy a Bradford Guardian three and Rex 45. For $110 what?

48:05
Bought it last night.
Nicely done $110.00 for Rex, 45 Bradford Guardian.
I mean, that's just a killer price for a Bradford Guardian period.
But I mean in in that steel, which quite honestly, I don't know what its characteristics are.
I just know it's awesome from what I hear.
But wow, yeah, and that's made right here.
And I spent a good deal of time at the Bradford Booth.

48:33
I didn't buy a Bradford.
But just talking with them, they're really cool.
And and there's a woman there who runs the show that I want to get on this show.
I think they call her lady Bradford.
Maybe I'm wrong about that, but yeah, I think it's.
I think it's a a a good way to to go about it if you're if you're wanting to.
You know.

49:01
Be extravagant in that way.
Do it with a company that is right here.
You know, on this show I always love the family business stories.
I I love seeing, seeing people I love like seeing families that are tight, but seeing them around some sort of cause is kind of a cool.
Cool birth story for a a a knife company.
I'm glad you brought that up, because another create one is Mr Michael Martin with American Blade Works.
Yes, yes, yes.

49:35
Yep, and.
You know.
I've.
I've been in communications with him recently because I had a I had an issue with Leonard and.
You know he.
People talk about customer service at at companies like being spayed and things like that and I'm sure it's great but I'm not going to say it's just better.
But you can't do any better than what he what he has done.

49:59
You know, I sent him the knife.
He, you know, he agreed that there was an issue.
Held on to it a little longer than what most people would appreciate.
To be honest, I haven't had it since a couple weeks after Blade show.
However, because I know why I'm, I'm not upset.
He was having some issues with consistency on 20 CV.
He he you know.

50:24
He was literally doing batches the exact same way and having different results.
It didn't make any sense.
He, you know, began to wonder if it was the steel itself, you know, if there was something different about it when he was getting it.
But he my point is, he wasn't willing to just put a new blade on it, send it back to me without knowing that it fixed the problem.
And.
Luckily for him, because I I had a complaint, I had an issue.
And it caused him to have to do some research.

50:57
He's decided to switch to Magnacca and has now found out that he can have his magnet cut blanks.
Heat treated by Petersons for like $4 a blade.
And he said, you know, you got to doing the math.
You know when he would do a heat treaties.
He's heat treating 6 knives at a time and he has to sit with the oven all day.
That's all day he could be making other knives.
You know, and so now he's realized that it's cheaper for him to have it heat treated by the by, you know.

51:29
The top theatre company in the nation.
So you know the the American body Works Model 1 version six are now going to start coming out Big Magna cut at 63 to 64 HRC he he exemplifies.
I mean his whole the fact that you just said Model 1 version six says it all.
I mean that's that's how he has built that knife I had.
I have the version 5A liner lock and one of my viewers sent in three other iterations.
I think it was four.
One and two.

52:01
I don't know when it was.
Aluminum and you're different models of them and they were all.
Good and some even really good.
But that wasn't good enough for him and he was taking all of that customer feedback and incorporating it and he settled, not settled.
He he honed it.
He honed in on his design on on version 6 and to me that is that's pre customer care.
That's like making sure that the thing he delivers you know despite the little inconsistencies that might come up in some of the heat treat and that kind of thing but that.

52:36
This is exactly why I bought the knife, is because it was version six.
That was Michael Barton admitting.
I've changed this five Times Now to make it better.
You know who does that?
You know it probably in a business standpoint, he may have even been better off.
Not mentioning it, you know, because that means he's got to admit that.
That the last one wasn't as good as this one.

53:00
Yeah, I appreciate that.
That's why I denied I was actually torn between it and a TR matter.
Your G10 scales are about the same price, and they had them might be a little bit thinner.
Little slice here, but.
With my hands I try to limit how many thumb stud knives I buy because like I can't flick a thumb stud knife at all, I all I can do is slow roll.
And so with the Model 1 version 6 being a flipper, that's that's why I went with it, you know?
I would have.

53:35
I would love for Marianne to make a flipper knife.
Of her company, everything she stands for, everything they do.
I just don't like them.
But yeah, well, Shane, tell me, tell viewers a little bit about your channel too, what your goals are with that and and about your lives.
Well, my channel.
I never set out to have a channel.
I didn't have a channel at all when I started knives live and.

54:06
You know, several people said, hey, you know, people kind of get to know you.
You'd be a great time to start a channel or whatever.
So I set out to start one and.
And I I did.
And I had.
I've had several people very kindly try to.
Ohh give me tips and pointers on how to have a successful channel Jared.

54:27
Now you've been one of those and let's face it, if you want advice on how to build a channel you get from Jared need and I was extremely appreciative but also had to be honest with Jared.
I'm not willing to do that.
You know, I was.
I'm not willing to do what it takes to have a huge channel.
I'm perfectly fine having a small channel where I can give my opinion on things.
My originally my channel was called Pocket Knife Review.
How I was looking enough to get that name not be taken on over.

54:56
Also it was a double edged sword because it varied me in the algorithm.
You couldn't find that Channel.
So I changed the name and now looking back on it, it's even more ironic because I don't think I've ever.
Done.
A proper pocket knife.
I really I get now Zen.
And I talk about how they make me feel.

55:14
I know some people think that's silly, like the Bureau.
Axline makes me feel way smarter than I am when I. It just does.
Ohh.
That's going I want to wear nicer clothes when I hear you know I you know I've got all my golf shirt.
I'm not sure I'm clean shaving now create a motion for me.
So that's what I talk about.
You know don't go to my channel thinking you're going to hear the links and waits and.

55:42
Hear my opinion on it.
You might even hear me rant a little bit about something that's on my mind and my lives.
I've only done 2. And I kind of thought I might have committed.
Channel.
Suicide of my last one but my first live said Stevie came on with me and that made it so easy.
Man Stevie such a a great personality and that made me more comfortable that made.
He kind of kept the ball rolling.

56:12
As to what he to talk about, well, last night I tried to do my first one on my own.
And it went off the rails, to say the least.
I I talked about the things I wanted to talk about, and then it turned into.
I'll talk about a man at our.
Our mental health and.
You know some of the my mental health issues and some of the things that I struggle with.
And not stuff that.

56:38
I would normally want to admit.
On a platform that anybody in the world can now go back and watch it.
And when it was over.
I literally thought it was over, you know, I thought people were never going to man.
And all day today Bob, that's that's all I've got are are messages about how awesome it was and how refreshing it would hear somebody talk about the things that they've been feeling that they're.
They're too embarrassed to talk about and so.
Maybe it's all going to be OK you know, you see what I'm.

57:12
I can't guarantee what I'm going to talk about this Sunday.
I don't know.
Hey, Shane, that that's.
I mean, I hinted at it in my open, but that's one of the things that drew me to you.
One of the things that I remember about our conversation so well is that.
And I'm not gonna repeat what you said, but you were very honest with me.
You were very complimentary.

57:32
But you were also very honest with me about what you felt the shortcomings were of, of, you know, my channel and and I really valued it because I. You know, it can't.
It's not like you just walked up to me as I hear the shortcomings of your channel.
It came out of a really awesome conversation and I appreciated your honesty.
And it wasn't it was in no way an attack.
It was a hey man, I I I love your channel.
Here are some things you know, and I appreciated that.
And I think people probably.

58:02
Watching your live last night thought that it did the opposite of go off the rails.
But man, here's someone who's making themselves vulnerable and what could be what could make you feel better and stronger than doing something like that?
I wanna, I want to wrap this up with something I I do with people of your ilk.
I want to do a speed round with you, Sir.
But before we do, I want to make sure that everyone knows where they can find you.
They can let everyone know where they can find you.
It's just Shane Gables PKR on YouTube, same on Instagram.

58:40
Those are the best two places to find me.
And I did want to add one thing.
I I don't know if we.
I know we were supposed to talk about knives live, like I said, but more details will be coming out about that.
I don't have the exact dates as far as where we're going to open the window for you sending in your.
Your your receipt to John because because of the the Jason Brown incident.
We're we we've kind of had to move some things around because.

59:12
Like I said, I I've told people I want Doug to hear this, but if you only have the money to donate to one, don't donate the session, right.
I don't want to step on that at all.
So we kind of move some things around.
So details are coming up about how to enter, when to enter.
We we decided not to move the live and still be November 4th and 5th.
It's not going to be like last year where we had some guys doing two and three hour slots.
We have more than enough participants this year, you know so.

59:41
It should be 24 great hosts and hopefully they have guests as many as they want and and don't expect.
It's it's not like a a a Saint Jude Marathon.
As much as I love Saint Jude, where I don't tell people what to talk about, I'll tell you how to handle their content.
It's going to be a lot of lighthearted cutting up and talking about knives.
You know, and every now and then you might hear a little bit of something about how to donate that rides.
So right on.
It's just a quick time to get across.

01:00:11
All right, good time with like minded people, all for a good cause.
Ready, Sir.
Are you ready?
I guess.
Alright, it's only 16 questions, but by the end we will have a a a deep look into your soul.
Are you ready?
Yeah.

01:00:31
All right.
Fixed or folder?
Folder.
Flipper or thumbstud?
Flipper.
Washers or bearings?
Bags.

01:00:42
Tip up or tip down?
Tip down Tonto or Bowie.
Tonto.
Hollow ground or flat ground?
Hollow ground.
Full size or small full size?
Gentlemen's knife or tactical knife?

01:01:03
Tactical knife, automatic or Bali song?
Automatic Benchmade or Spyderco Spyderco, Chris Reeve or Hinderer Chris Reeve milled titanium or spring clip.
Spring clip carbon fiber or micarta micarta.
Finger choil or no choil?
Always a finger troll.
Always a finger troll form or function.
Function.

01:01:36
OK. And then lastly, your desert island knife.
And that just means the one knife you save if you have to get rid of the rest of your collection.
My sebenza.
All right.
So, benza, you know this question.
I'm glad no one ever asked me this one because my mind goes to sentimentality and I think of gift knives.
And I have so many gift knives I can never give away.

01:02:03
And actually, I just want to double back real quick and to say that's you were describing what you can expect to see from your videos, close-ups of knives, what's on your mind, how they make you feel.
And that's why I really like your channel, I mean.
I, I, I have certain people I go to for the specs and for the performance feedback and all that kind of stuff.
And then there are other people that I go to for for different reasons and I kind of make my videos in a in a similar vein.
And I I really appreciate your your tabletop videos because they're way more than just close up looks at knives.
So I appreciate that.
Alrighty, Mr Gables Mr Shane Gables, thank you so much for coming on the Knife Junkie podcast.

01:02:46
It was a pleasure, as always, catching up with you and finding out about lives.
And I've knives live.
People, please be sure to check out November 4th and 5th.
That's a Friday and Saturday at 6:00 PM to 6:00 PM, right.
That's correct.
And it will start the 6:00 PM central time on Friday, November 4th.
And tri-state EDC will be the kickoff channel.

01:03:08
So right.
It could be a great hot man.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Oh man.
It's going to be an awesome time and I'm participating this year.
I'm very excited.
Alrighty, Sir.

01:03:19
Thanks for coming on and I'll talk to you real soon.
Thank you.
You guys have a good one.
And you too, Sir.
Take care.
Do you carry multiple knives?
Then overthink which one to use when an actual cutting chore pops up.

01:03:31
You're a knife junkie of the 1st order.
Yep, there he goes.
Shane Gables, uh, man, who really does exemplify the spirit of the knife world, the knife community that we're always talking about here on the show.
So great to have them on.
I'm so glad I met him in person then.
So glad I had him on this show.
Can't wait to help out the the knife rights fundraising and man it it it promises to be a blast.

01:04:02
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