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Tim Kell [00:00:03]:
Welcome to the Knife Junkie Podcast. Your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your host, Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

Bob DeMarco [00:00:16]:
Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this edition of the show, I'm speaking with Tim Kell of T.Kell Knives. Tim is a former Marine, a talented machinist, and the helmsman of one of the most successful knife making ventures in the usa. He's grown his fan base, and yes, I do mean fan base, or t kellions with a weekly livestream produced by his wife who goes by cw. People love Tim, it's true, but it wouldn't mean much if he didn't make such amazing knives. I'm proud to be a design contributor to Tekel Knives and look forward to many, many years of more fruitful collaboration with Tim. But first, let's catch up with him and find out what's going on.

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Bob DeMarco [00:01:48]:
Tim, welcome back to the show, sir.

Tim Kell [00:01:50]:
It's great to see you. Hey, good to see you and hear you as well.

Bob DeMarco [00:01:54]:
All right, so let's start with what is, to me, the most exciting news. You got a lot of stuff going on at TCL Knives. You guys are always expanding a lot, but you are coming back out with my favorite knife, the Agent 001.

Tim Kell [00:02:10]:
This guy.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:11]:
Yes indeed.

Tim Kell [00:02:12]:
That's not even a setup. I've been carrying it for, for a long time. I go back and forth between this and an EDC depending on where and what I'm doing.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:21]:
Well, let's, let's, talk a little bit about how it's changed since the first run. I have them both here and I can hold them up for illustration. I've been going on and on about this for the last couple of weeks on this show. But let's, let's talk about some of the differences between, between the first and the second run.

Tim Kell [00:02:40]:
So the first run was incredible. I think an industry changing blade. And all we did is what we typically do is we listen to customer feedback and then each knife that we have in our lineup, every time I do the next run, I tweak it. So we brought a new machinist in and on board, you know, Nick. And he has this ability to really take exactly how I think of something in my head and literally put it into steel. And limitations of standard machining don't really mean much to him because he's self taught, kind of like me. So everything that we wanted this, I think what you and I envision the blade to be to begin with, that's what he did. So we did the step milling.

Tim Kell [00:03:26]:
We added the, the chamfers on the top and in the finger. Well, and it's incredibly precise. Really, really. I mean each identical. And it's, it's just artwork. I mean it's incredible. And we went back with Battle Worn, which is. We brought Battle one back.

Tim Kell [00:03:44]:
So that darker matte gray bronzish antique look, I think it's just right now it's probably the best blade we make. I think aesthetically the way it handles, it feels. The dimensions are absolutely spot on. Perfect. I'll just keep staring at it.

Bob DeMarco [00:04:02]:
Yeah, me too. Here, I'm going to hold this up close so people can see that beautiful step milling on the bevels. And I have a close up video of this coming out in preparation for the October 1, 2025 drop date. Something I love showing off is the beautiful chamfering on the corners, like on the jimping and on the finger guard. And to me that it, it's a, it's just another step. This is the first one here. Beautiful and incredible. But this one is just has a refined nature to it.

Tim Kell [00:04:37]:
That's right. Yeah. I remember when I pitched it to you originally, you were like, well, I think it's great. What are you doing? I'm like, just, just wait, man. This thing is. There's science behind the step milling too. And I don't know if a lot of people realize that. We do that.

Tim Kell [00:04:51]:
You step this way and it steps. So if you get really, really micro or super high Magnification, you'll see that it's almost like a square pattern. And that reduces the amount of blade that touches whatever you're cutting. So about 60%. So it absolutely just flies through cut. So we can do a thicker blade stock. It's not just a look, but man, it sure looks cool too.

Bob DeMarco [00:05:14]:
Tim, are you saying in cross section? If you look at it, it's a, like a, like the side of the great pyramids or something? Like a. Yeah, yeah.

Tim Kell [00:05:24]:
Almost. So it's, it's almost like a cross hat. So it's step harder, you know, up to blade. But you, you don't really notice that there's little tiny.

Bob DeMarco [00:05:36]:
Oh.

Tim Kell [00:05:38]:
So that really, it, it just. You have the high points on the blade and that means there's less cutting. And it moves either if you're cutting meat or food or just the air because you're a mall ninja, it flies through everything faster.

Bob DeMarco [00:05:51]:
Okay. So it's less surface area touching, whatever. Oh, I had no idea. But I guess that, that, you know, you, you know that when you're going up the blade north to south, there's going to be steps. You can see them. But going towards the tip, that accounts for the natural distal taper that you have.

Tim Kell [00:06:10]:
Right.

Bob DeMarco [00:06:12]:
Okay. So another thing I noticed is the. You went from five gimps to four gimps on the thumb. On the thumb ramp. What was the thinking there?

Tim Kell [00:06:25]:
Just brain consistency. That's how many we have on the rest of the stuff. So I just thought that it'd be smarter just to do that. My. I have this symmetrical eye and I was like, Nick, man, that, that drives me freaking crazy. I want them bigger, but I want an equal number so that when you look at the Raider or the Outrider or anything, they all have that same flavor.

Bob DeMarco [00:06:47]:
Well, it's, it's interesting because it is more comfortable and, and it. And it does not lose any of its grip.

Tim Kell [00:06:55]:
That was my concern. When I told Nick. I was like, I want to. I want to. We need to chamfer it because it's. This is not an out. We're not trying to strike ferro rods with this thing. And we're going to be pushing really hard, but I don't want to sacrifice grip, but I want that sharp corner gone.

Tim Kell [00:07:10]:
And it was a lot of trial and error, but I think we nailed it.

Bob DeMarco [00:07:13]:
So what was it like going from. So Nick Chuprin is who we're talking about. NPC knives. What was it like going from your first machinist for the first run of 001s to Nick.

Tim Kell [00:07:28]:
It was a really easy transition for me. Nick just. He. He's like us. He really thinks outside the box, and he has this GKL style. Sure, I can do it. And it's. It's a challenge because geometrically, when you're using a program that does 3D modeling, it wants to make everything symmetrical.

Tim Kell [00:07:51]:
The ang. The sweeps, the curves. It wants all of that to be a uniform curve. And when we have this taper so this angle, it's hard to see here. This curve is not the same as the medial ridge. Typically, they have to be when you do CNC CAD work. But because we have a clip on the front and then a sweep, that took a lot of doing, and he almost couldn't pull it off. And finally he's like, I got it.

Tim Kell [00:08:19]:
And, you know, I was like, I knew you could. So it was. It was a challenge because the original blades were milled this way, and we were swiping it with a machine that had a tilt, so a fifth axis. But now that we went to 3D to put the step milling in like the rest of our blades, very challenging to get the program to do what we did when we hand ground them in.

Bob DeMarco [00:08:40]:
So what. What's amazing to me is that it's easy to draw by hand, and then you have this incredibly sophisticated machine run by incredibly sophisticated software, and it runs into difficulties that. To me, that's kind of ironic.

Tim Kell [00:08:57]:
And I jab them. Originally, my first machinist who's still with us, Jeremy. I would be like. He's like, I can't do that. And I'm like, well, you said your, you know, quarter million dollar machine can do what my hands can do.

Bob DeMarco [00:09:11]:
Not so.

Tim Kell [00:09:12]:
And it was. That's right. And they did.

Bob DeMarco [00:09:15]:
So the new grips, too. This. This. Okay, you. You offer about 30 different grips traditionally, right? Different manner of G10. And I love your Pearl G10, but you also had layer G10 and Micarta's and stuff. And now you're offering this battle lock, which I have to say, and I told you on the phone recently, I was a little bit skeptical of, because, like, frn, isn't that a step down? But tell. Tell us about this.

Bob DeMarco [00:09:44]:
I. This is just having them in hand has totally changed me. Tell me about this.

Tim Kell [00:09:49]:
And that's exactly what a lot of people say. Like, man, people. People don't like the fancy plastic. That's what people were telling. It's fancy plastic. I'm like, but it's glass nylon. You know, it's more durable than what people are used to. But it's going to be more impact resistance and we can get the grip out of it and the weight savings that we want if we do a glass fill nylon.

Tim Kell [00:10:11]:
And it just made a lot of sense to me. One, from a manufacturing standpoint, to be able to finally get the amount of texture and the color saturation that I wanted. And I have to be an American product. And I love. This is a. It's the same 60 grit texture that you'll find on common pistol companies. And we had to. We had to find the manufacturer of this pattern and get permission to use it.

Tim Kell [00:10:39]:
So I knew that it would increase grip and that's what we really need because my grips are more. Less on the, you know, broomstick style handle. And I'm. I'm in your camp. A lot of people were skeptical. And then they, they grab and they're like, man, why didn't anybody else do this? And I guess they didn't ask the right questions.

Bob DeMarco [00:10:58]:
So are you saying that the, the design, the contours of your handles are more slender, therefore you need more grip? What do you mean?

Tim Kell [00:11:07]:
Yeah, a lot of people. So G10, when it gets. You get your skin and your oils, it can load up and get slick. Especially Micarta is really, really bad about that. Initially they have a lot of grip, but then they're difficult to clean and to put a lot of texture in them, it kind of messes with the integrity of the surface. So you'll get chipping and flaking. And I couldn't get it aggressive enough but not be sharp and still be something that would be cost effective to manufacture. I was always chasing that grip, get the extra amount, and I think it needed it.

Tim Kell [00:11:41]:
I'm super, super pleased with how they turned out.

Bob DeMarco [00:11:43]:
I'm also, you know, a shallow guy. I like the way things look. It means a lot to me. And the. I, I just have this olive drab and. And the desert tan. And those are not very bold and bright colors. But the color saturation in these are amazing.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:02]:
They look beautiful.

Tim Kell [00:12:04]:
We. We're the. Oh. And the colors are almost infinite. So we've. We've come out since with this bright blue. We are married to solid black. Sorry.

Tim Kell [00:12:15]:
If it all. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Doesn't like it.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:20]:
All right.

Tim Kell [00:12:20]:
I don't know.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:21]:
Yeah. Anyway, if it focused earlier, but you were saying the colors are infinite.

Tim Kell [00:12:26]:
Yeah, they. They have metallic colors, they have starburst colors. We can even put fleck in there, but we can't do multiple colors. So that's why we're keeping the. The Burl G10s around. That's kind of a. You know, I'm a guy that obviously loves pistols and, and firearms. And as soon as I get one, I'll pull the, the grips off.

Tim Kell [00:12:47]:
And sometimes I want it to be matchy matchy, so I like the availability to still be able to do that. So we're keeping all of those around for aesthetics and still get grip. But then we're going to be switching primarily to the solid colors, but we're going to re release some with the color flex in them. And I mean, I looked at their color catalog. They're literally thousands. Wow.

Bob DeMarco [00:13:10]:
Now, you mentioned the Burl G10. I'm a huge fan of the Burl G10. Probably the most. My most carried tkal knife. And I got a pile of them. Here is my purple burl G10,001. But you have this proprietary red, white and blue G10 which appeared on this very special FMF that I love showing off. I love showing this thing off.

Bob DeMarco [00:13:34]:
As I mentioned to you on the phone, my older daughter said immediately upon seeing this, I want that when you die. I'm like.

Tim Kell [00:13:42]:
Which is a nod to your parenting. If they like my stuff, they're a winner.

Bob DeMarco [00:13:47]:
That's what I. I couldn't agree more. So is that burl G10, is that proprietary to you, like the whole thing, or is it just that color combo or.

Tim Kell [00:13:56]:
No, the manufacturer approached me I blade show several years ago and said, hey, what do you think about this stuff? And it was. They were swirling different material like metal, like we did with Melissa's blade and things like that. And we were already using the layered system, which everybody does. And I basically just asked them, hey, can you do just the colors and can you just. We want like a wood grain kind of swirl look. And they, they don't credit me with that. I do think that I was probably the first person to ask for that. I just thought it would look really cool and it would reduce the amount of skus because we had a blue and black and a black and blue.

Tim Kell [00:14:39]:
And I thought, man, that would be cool if we could do a burrow pattern. And they came through. So we're. It's. It's gotten popular too. I've seen other company or other knife manufacturers starting to use it. So maybe, maybe I came up with it.

Bob DeMarco [00:14:53]:
Well, let's just say they didn't.

Tim Kell [00:14:56]:
Okay, so we'll be narcissistic for a moment.

Bob DeMarco [00:14:58]:
I want to. I want. We will move on to Other knives. But before we do, I want to mention that when you sent me these production samples of the new agent series, you sent me two things that are new to me. One of them is the Badger Claw sheath and then also this awesome Ulti clip. And I want to talk about both of those for a second, but tell me about your. Your work with Badger. Badger Claw sheets.

Bob DeMarco [00:15:27]:
I mean, this is just so beautiful.

Tim Kell [00:15:29]:
That came by way of Nuge. Tom Nugent from Knives by Nuge. He and I share some common material sourcing, and we both are feeling the constraints of American manufacturing. And he said, listen, man, you should call the guy at Badger Claw. He comes through for me every time he uses American. Literally. They're American cows. They speak English.

Tim Kell [00:15:52]:
I've talked to him, and he's in Texas, and he's fast and he's super open to be able to. Hey, man, I got this cool idea, and he's. He's like me. He's like, yeah, sure, let's do it. And it. It just expanded the possibilities of what was possible. And I love Apocalypse sheaths. They're quiet, they're comfortable, they got holes to mount stuff.

Tim Kell [00:16:14]:
I. I like them. I almost considered moving completely to it because, you know, Kydex leave it in a car and it's garbage for too long. So, you know, we're trying to back into using some other more creative products. Right. For sheathing, but we. We don't have that nailed down yet. But I love it, and that I have to give that credit to.

Tim Kell [00:16:36]:
It's a niche. A great nude, too.

Bob DeMarco [00:16:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. And I. So wait, now I got a couple of things. We're going to get back to Nuge in a second. But you were pointing to the handle. Are you saying that. Were you implying that maybe shes could be made from the same sort of FRN that you're making the battle locks out of?

Tim Kell [00:16:56]:
Maybe. Stay tuned.

Bob DeMarco [00:16:58]:
All right. Knives by Nuge. I love Tom Nugent. He's a great guy. I. I have two of its knives that I absolutely love. Both of them have this incredible jute wrap on it. So I had to get the DP1 with the I.

Tim Kell [00:17:15]:
Well, I love that.

Bob DeMarco [00:17:15]:
I do, too. With that. With the N Knives by N Jute wrap. And it has the Badger claw. It's a perfect setup. I dropped this in my pocket. It's good to go. And I discovered that with the 001, I can do the same thing, even though it's, you know, almost twice the size of the DP1.

Bob DeMarco [00:17:36]:
So one thing I love about these, she's. You can drop the whole thing in your pocket and.

Tim Kell [00:17:40]:
Yeah, same.

Bob DeMarco [00:17:41]:
Like, almost the entire thing is. Is covered up, especially in, like, work pants, khaki pants, and then jeans. Just a little bit peaks out. And then it's so easily removed and put back in. I love this setup.

Tim Kell [00:17:55]:
Well, it gives you the gentleman carry, too. You know, it's not as intimidating when you just have a leather thing with a little tiny handle sticking out. It's codex. Looks tactical, so, you know, and it's really comfortable. I like them a lot.

Bob DeMarco [00:18:08]:
Let's talk a little bit about this clip, the Ulti Clip spring clip. I've been loving this. You sent this with. As a sample with the. With the 001s. And yeah, I had it for a few weeks. I had it for a few weeks and did not. Did not put it on.

Bob DeMarco [00:18:28]:
And I finally put it on, and I'm so glad I did. I really loved it.

Tim Kell [00:18:33]:
That was an interesting project. We. There's a guy who used to make what I thought were the best IWB holsters, and I. I reached out to him, Eddie Massaro, about this clip. Man, I think we can use this for blades. I would like to explore that. And we went back and forth for several, several years trying to come up with some kind of an idea. And he basically got to retirement age and said, I'm done with it.

Tim Kell [00:18:59]:
You want to buy the company? And CDub and I were actually getting her a new phone, and we were talking about it while we're trying to deal with the Apple Store people. And I'm like, you know what? Let's do it. So we were going to buy this holster company just to get access to the clip. And I. I guess. And in the time that we were going to get back home and really discuss this seriously, sold the rights to that clip to Ulti Clip. And I'm like, eddie, I don't. I don't want the holsters.

Tim Kell [00:19:30]:
It was the clip that I wanted. And he's like, oh, no. And then he put me in contact with the guys at Ulti Clip. I kind of knew Ryan, you know, God rest his soul, and his family from thinking about carrying some of their other clips, the Slims. And we kind of had a little. A basic relationship. But then he and I started really communicating closely on this is what I'm thinking. Instead of just a single skinny little clip, let's do something that mimics more of a wider clip.

Tim Kell [00:20:02]:
You'll get more stability. You can do the lock in if you make it out of this material, you can spread it and put it in any hole configuration. And we went back and forth for, gosh, a couple years. And then I think Blade Texas, he and his engineer come up and they're grinning and they've got these things. And I was like, that's it, that's the one. And he goes, that's it. I knew it, man, we finally did it. And then I said, we want to roll it out.

Tim Kell [00:20:31]:
It's going to become our exclusive clip. We were going to debut it and then they asked if we would debut it with them at Blade Show Atlanta and we did. So we debuted that clip on Melissa's Blade and they entered it and actually won accessory of the year. Which was kind of a really proud moment for myself. You know, I'm not, I didn't invent it. I'm just happy to have been able to give them input to really make an incredible product. I love the clip.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:03]:
Just from looking at it, I thought, oh, that's going to be too like, flimsy is not the word. But it's like it's not going to stay flat against the belt for some reason just looking at it. That's what I thought. But this does two things. First of all, the spring is. The spring material is really durable and really stout. But it solves the, this is what I love the most. It solves the age old problem of clips and the holes.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:32]:
You can spread this thing out to fit any hole configuration. It is awesome. And I love it. I love it. I got to get more of these in my life now.

Tim Kell [00:21:41]:
All right. We have thousands upon thousands of them. And you know, I wanna, so this was Ulti clip. They brought this to, to the design that. So you can shorten it to inch and a half, bring it down, it'll fit over a 2 inch belt and you can loosen it and cant it at a 45. That was their thing. Like, man, that's brilliant. Guys, I absolutely am just blown away with the clip.

Tim Kell [00:22:04]:
I use them on. We, you know, we make the tactical suspenders and I use that clip because it's so low profile, so stout on those. I use them on.

Bob DeMarco [00:22:13]:
Wait, you make tactical suspenders? I didn't know this.

Tim Kell [00:22:16]:
You didn't know we're not going to get naked. But they, you see, I'm wearing them now, you can't even tell. But they, they clip under your belt from the inside. So the only thing that's showing is the front part of this. So I wanted to be able to carry heavy stuff and they take 15 pounds of weight, so there's a cross piece, and then they're really commercial grade elastic, so they'll pick up £15. So you can completely loosen your belt and have heavy iron. So a 1911 style pistol, all of the nerdy stuff that us EDC guys like to carry. Keys, wallet, flashlights.

Tim Kell [00:22:52]:
But you're not sagging, so when you bend over, you're not showing everybody your exposed rear. But it really keeps everything compact and tight. And I didn't want something because suspenders are, you know, 1950s big red, wide things, but I wanted something that you could keep really clandestine. So you can't even see them there. Yeah, they're super. They're really popular in tactical communities. A lot of officers, a lot of military guys order them, and even CCW concealed carry, because you can. You don't have to have that belt cinched down so tight that it's cutting off the circulation to your hips.

Bob DeMarco [00:23:29]:
Yes, I. Okay, I'm. This is just a little moment I'm having. I'm gonna have to check these out and figure out how I can integrate. Integrate them into my stylish daily wear.

Tim Kell [00:23:40]:
Which is not so stocky. Yeah, you gotta. You gotta roll untucked, Mr. Demar. That's the issue. You can actually kind of clip them and tuck stuff in behind them, but you'll still see the little part. But you can tuck your shirt in about 2 inches behind them. So it's pretty neat.

Bob DeMarco [00:23:57]:
Well, I know that. That, you know, real fine gentlemen who wear like real nice suits and stuff like that. Suspenders have never gone out of style in. In that. In that way, because you got the jacket. So I could see some sort of a tactical GQ crossover here, but this is something I got to think of.

Tim Kell [00:24:13]:
Yeah, you know, John Wick with a blazer, of course. Yeah, exactly. That's the marketing angle. I need to call Kiana. We're good friends.

Bob DeMarco [00:24:21]:
Not at all.

Tim Kell [00:24:21]:
That's a lie.

Bob DeMarco [00:24:22]:
Not at all. So, yeah, so we've covered this, this clip and these badger cloth sheets. Which. Which brings me to. And you've mentioned Melissa Backwoods, her knife collaboration. Tomas, alas. And his collaboration. My collaboration with you.

Bob DeMarco [00:24:38]:
What. What do you love? And. And you've done these awesome double oh seven. Agent Double oh seven with the Japanese wrap with auxiliary manufacturing. Tell me about what you get out of these collaborations, besides awesome products.

Tim Kell [00:24:55]:
Right. Well, and one, we'll focus mainly on the agent series. That design was brilliant. That was the first as a predecessor. You know, you kind of served up this Incredibly beautiful design on a silver platter. And when we initially started talking about it, I was like, man, I've really been trying to nail down that bird beak style blade and I don't want to do what everybody else is doing. I made minor tweaks to the handle. You had already designed it around our platform, lengthwise, the narrow grips.

Tim Kell [00:25:30]:
I made a few tweaks. I changed the blade. The only change I made to blades, put my name on it, that was it. And figured out how to machine the thing. And out of that has been born every agent series and it is our most popular knife collaboration. So kind of backing into that when somebody of your prowess, you've touched more knives than I have different types of knives. Your martial arts background is more extensive and in a different discipline than my own. So I can listen and gain feedback.

Tim Kell [00:26:01]:
And if you like our stuff enough, that's hugely valuable to me. It's a different perspective, it's a different subset of thought, of ideas, of vision. And I really like pulling from these different stuff and making cool blades.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:15]:
Yeah, I, I, I think you've got a lot of, I think to be open enough. And first of all, thank you for those kind words. I, I really appreciate it. It was because, you know, the night, the night stalker is what really inspired this. The length of the night, you know, this is the length of the night stalker. The blade is the same length, you know, almost exactly. And because I was carrying that so much, it's such a great knife. I was thinking, okay, this is doable.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:45]:
You know, carrying a fixed blade knife in on my waistband, outside of the waistband, and still have a shirt to cover it easily is totally doable. So I mean, you know, right back at you. Like, I was so thrilled that that was something you wanted to do. In my line of work, collaboration is absolutely essential and you get the best stuff. When you're asking your cameraman, what do you think we should do here? Or what do you think the lights should be like? And, and you get all this input that that's what really makes, you know, good stuff great. And I feel like you and I hit a nice stride with that. It, it can be hard sometimes collaborating if people, if people's egos are too, yeah. Too involved.

Tim Kell [00:27:33]:
Let me that in this collab it was super easy. I mean, for me, I mean I just was, I just made a few changes and it was easy.

Bob DeMarco [00:27:45]:
Well, Jim just brought up your webpage and first of all, which is beautiful. And he is scrolling and we just scrolled by, casually scrolled by the adversary. I mean, the combatant folder. Let's, let's talk about the combatant folder. This is like a revolutionary thing, not just for TKL knives, but for the folder industry. And you're not really known so much as a folder guy yet.

Tim Kell [00:28:10]:
Let's talk at all. We have been on this quest for probably three years or more to get a folder that would stand up to heavy duty use, be light enough to carry, be comfortable. And I'm not a folder guy, so I, I didn't know anything about. You can't use this lock because so and so says you can't. And you can't do this because that's not allowed. And this is what's standard in here. And all that stuff would frustrate. Like, I just want to make something cool.

Tim Kell [00:28:41]:
And why doesn't anybody do fill in the blank. So I tried to design them on my own. I'm not super good at that. And then Emory, who you and I both know, introduced me to a friend of his that he learned knife making from V. Cornich, and Vance is out of Colorado. And he's like, hey, I got some ideas. I've got this really cool crossbar style lock. I didn't know what that was.

Tim Kell [00:29:06]:
I didn't know what an axis lock was. I didn't know what an Omega spring was. I didn't know that because this company came up with it. I couldn't use it because I thought it was cool. So I really pushed Vance in the have. I want modularity. This the first one. I'm like, this is so hard to take apart.

Tim Kell [00:29:24]:
Like, why do we, can't we just do this, this, this and this? And Vance is, he says he's lazy, but I think he's crazy enough to go, yeah, I think we can figure that out. And he, he came up with this modular design on a crossbar that you can just drop blades in and pull them out. And then I'm like, hey, I want bearings. I want something that just snaps open. I want to be able to hold it in reverse, which is not a crossbar thing at all. And I'm like, why don't we do that? Like, well, they're hard to take apart. So then he brings me, after a couple of years, some very close to this man. Now you figured it out.

Tim Kell [00:30:04]:
So then we, we tried to make, we pocketed the bearing so that you can do, if you've seen the video, you can do a blade change in just 15, 20 seconds, which is crazy for a crossbar. But the handles just Pull off two screws, you pull the pivot, drop the axis, the blade falls, you throw the new one in and you have the whole. This is a universal piece, the handle without the blade. So that allows us to make other blades that we can drop straight into it. And along that same vein, I wanted to use these spring style clips because I love the aph. The clip we were just talking about. But there's an aftermarket support for these clips that all these people make. Titanium clips, deep carry, they make metal clips, colorful clips, pla.

Tim Kell [00:30:48]:
You know, the aftermarket support for this clip pattern is huge. And I'm like, hey, you're talking about the spring. Some people don't like clips. Right, right. So there's, I mean like Lynch Northwest makes one, there's a bunch of other people that make. I thought I had one laying here. I don't. But if you don't like a wire clip, you can just pull this off and get one from Amazon that's metal and full and deep carry.

Tim Kell [00:31:12]:
So there's so many different options. And I wanted, of course we do interchangeable grips. And I thought how cool would it be if you could just get one frame and then buy all the blades and just swap it out? Or you can take in 10 seconds, change a grip out, or in just less than a minute, change blade out. I really think what we've come up with is very unique. And the other, the last feature I think that's unique is that this backspacer and the liner is a two piece design, but that's your stop. So you have this big quarter inch chunk of metal that is a stop and gives the support for the blade and then a hardened steel bar between that and the actual blade. It's incredibly strong. And it's not, it's not been done that way.

Tim Kell [00:32:01]:
And I really like modularity.

Bob DeMarco [00:32:04]:
But that is, is, is. That's interesting because that's kind of like a traditional slip joint. How a slip joint stops. This is where. Okay, so this knife coming from, a folder guy is unique in a number of different ways. First of all, axis lock style knives with omega springs are notoriously up just a bit pain in the ass to open up and to put back together. I hate it. I've only done it a couple of times and I never want to do it again.

Bob DeMarco [00:32:32]:
B, you have a knife that you can change the blade legitimately, change the blades without it having some sort of a cheesy arm and a cheesy sort of razor style blade that you. I've seen that before. Right but this is different. This is a totally stout and solid regular blade that you can switch out maybe an adversary and a combatant. And I think you have a sheep's foot style blade coming in there.

Tim Kell [00:32:56]:
And yeah, see, doesn't pull that one because she loves.

Bob DeMarco [00:32:59]:
And then you've got.

Tim Kell [00:33:00]:
That's cool.

Bob DeMarco [00:33:01]:
And then you've got this sort of the stopping system that's like a slip joint. I mean, this is very unlike folders in general. I mean, I haven't heard of a folder that does any of these things, let alone all three of them at once. And then also it's an, it's a, it's an unusual business move to make something universal like that. Instead of saying you got to buy the whole new knife, you like this other blade, you got to get the whole new knife.

Tim Kell [00:33:29]:
That's what we did with our other stuff too. People like, you should just make a G10 in black and sell 50 of them. It's stupid business move to make all your stuff interchangeable. Like. But I'm a. I value my money. I work really hard for it. So why not give a guy the ability to swap his grips out? I don't understand that.

Tim Kell [00:33:49]:
Yeah, it just, it just made sense to me across the board. So, yeah, it's dumb business wise, but I think value to the consumer and it's neat.

Bob DeMarco [00:33:59]:
So how I'm, I'm holding up my combatant right now. How different is the size between what you're holding in your hand and what I have in my hand?

Tim Kell [00:34:08]:
So I'll do them side by each. Oh, yeah, they're, they're very, very similar. To get the pivots and everything in the right spot, we only had the length in it just like three, eight of an inch.

Bob DeMarco [00:34:24]:
Put it real close to the camera, Tim. Let's see if we can turn her. Oh, there we go.

Tim Kell [00:34:29]:
There we go. Let's see if I can get it to stay this way. So they're, they're very, very similar. The handle platform is the same, but we just had to push it slightly forward. But the geometry, so you see these scoops and everything are the same. So we just had to kick this back. Oh, we lost it. There it is.

Tim Kell [00:34:48]:
I think that's just over a quarter of an inch so that we could get each blade to tuck into the handle where there'd be no issues to make it modular. So I can't zoom it in. I do need to send you one so you can play with it.

Bob DeMarco [00:35:00]:
Oh, I'm not going to say no to that. You know, people are going to love this because probably if. If there is any criticism of the combatant or the adversary, you might have guys with giant meat hooks saying that the handle is too short, which they can remedy with a sentry grip, obviously, but. Right, but this is going to extend the handle by a quarter inch, so it's going to make it even more. Even better in hand.

Tim Kell [00:35:25]:
Yeah. So you've got a lot more of a grip than you do on the standard combatants. That one stops, just passed, and then the combatant tucks in a decent amount more. So. But extra half inch really makes a big difference, and we will be in the future. We've already got the rings designed for this series and the next, so we're gonna try to make it completely modular.

Bob DeMarco [00:35:50]:
You mean the, the aftermarket. I'm holding up the sentry grip for. For my night stalker there.

Tim Kell [00:36:00]:
Right.

Bob DeMarco [00:36:00]:
Yeah, that. That thing works great. So. So people who buy this folder can get the. The ring also.

Tim Kell [00:36:06]:
That is the plan.

Bob DeMarco [00:36:08]:
Quick, quick question about the bearings in this. You have bearings at the pivot and they're sitting in a pocket. What. What stops them from just falling out of the pocket? Is there something there or.

Tim Kell [00:36:20]:
It's just the frame, so if I can get it. Nope, it doesn't. All this fancy. You know, this guy Bob recommended this camera to me.

Bob DeMarco [00:36:32]:
There it is.

Tim Kell [00:36:33]:
Got it. It likes my face. So they're just held in here and with pressure from the pivot. Okay. And what keeps the frame together is this crossbar has a shoulder so that threads on. And that's how we can make it modular, so that everything just slides and tucks in. For the bearings to come out, you'd physically have to slide the blade out. Okay.

Tim Kell [00:37:03]:
And they're standard bearings, so you can get them anywhere. Same with the springs. The pivots are all standard, so it'll be really easy for people to, if they want, upgrade bearings, upgrade their own bearings or to replace any of the parts. I wanted it to be easy to tune or to add different stuff.

Bob DeMarco [00:37:21]:
I mean, that your. Your whole philosophy of modularity and your. Your requirement for modularity is very definitely speaks of your Marine Corps background.

Tim Kell [00:37:33]:
Yep, I think so. I mean, one piece of kit, one pistol, all the. Everything needs to fit so that you can easily change with your environment and that. I don't know why that seems like such a revolutionary contract or concept in this industry. And it just made sense to me.

Bob DeMarco [00:37:54]:
Well, I think people want to sell as much as they possibly can. You know, I think that's why it's kind of revolutionary or interesting. What's the production schedule on that? What can, when can we expect those to, to come out? And is Nick, is NCC working on those?

Tim Kell [00:38:11]:
No, that's actually vcc, Vance Court, Customs. So he's in Colorado and then Nick is in the northeast. So we are thinking through something. If you haven't seen Nick Chupin's Boulders, his automatic, all that, they're just, I mean they are premium and I would love to be able to commission a premium line of automatics with Nick because I think he's one of the best in the industry at that. He's innovated his stuff. Each one of his springs is custom made. I mean the guy is, he's, he's a freak of nature. And maybe one day we'll come out with that super high end automatic with Nick as well.

Tim Kell [00:38:50]:
But we keep him really busy with the fixed blades right now. I don't think he wants to make competition for himself because he's pretty well known for his folders.

Bob DeMarco [00:39:00]:
Oh, that's true, that's true. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, let's, let's move on to the sapper. So slash. Well, tell us about what's going on with the sapper. Now before you do, let me just gush about it for a second. This has long been one of my very, very favorites from tel knives and it is a collaboration with Emory Morgan Stern and it is a big knife. It's a recurve.

Bob DeMarco [00:39:27]:
To me it's a fighting knife but you know, combat style fighting knife. But it also I have learned excels in the back 40. Mine is nowhere near 40 but you know, you can, you can delimb and you can do all manner of work with this. So tell me about the evolution of this knife which started as the sapper.

Tim Kell [00:39:50]:
A sapper is a demolition expert in the military. So a guy who searches and destructs and makes minds inert. So there's a very specific set of tools that they use. And this blade was designed to be able to effectively do that. It was never supposed to be a combat style blade or a brush clearing blade. And I brought that to the table. I really wanted to make it multifunctional and Emory actually took it to the tracking school TTLs and they loved it. And there's a couple search that I ran into at Cancon when we were exhibiting there and this guy did ser training for the military and he got one of the blades and then the feedback from him was man, you're Ms.

Tim Kell [00:40:42]:
Marketing this knife. This Thing is incredible for that, that environment. So I felt like we were really pigeonholing the blade and anybody that bought it, they use a hey man, what's this line for? And I'm like, well, that's the probe for landmines. Like I live in Maryland. I don't. I don't. That's not here. It's like, you know, or we're delimming stuff.

Tim Kell [00:41:05]:
We're not. That doesn't exist. So a lot of people shied away from it and the feedback kept coming in that this was a great Bushcraft backwoods kind of multi combat rule style blade. So I talked with Emery and I'm like, man, you know, I think we need to rebrand it. And it was a lot of discussion around that. So we didn't really make any changes other than we pulled the line off. We still left Emery's logo because he and I were co designers on the blade. And we made it available in all the colors and multiple steels to not pigeonhole it because I think the blade deserves a different light.

Tim Kell [00:41:40]:
I think more people accept it. And we just did the drop Monday and we sold probably three times more than we normally do just from showing people those additional feature sets.

Bob DeMarco [00:41:53]:
So this is now called the Outrider. You can still get a sapper if you want a sapper, but you have taken the line. When you're talking about the line, if people don't know there, there is on the original sapper a line going from the very tip of the blade coming straight down the blade. That. That line up with all three handle screws. And as Emory was talking about it when he was on the show, it. It is integral with the, with the design of the pommel, which is meant to fit in the palm of the hand and to kind of align all the way with your forearm. And that is for when you're searching in the sand for a landmine and gingerly kind of poking around.

Bob DeMarco [00:42:36]:
That line shows you exactly where the tip is when the tip is buried in the sand. So you can know exactly where what your. Where the. Where your probe is.

Tim Kell [00:42:46]:
Basically that's important that you don't get any small misses. A landline?

Bob DeMarco [00:42:51]:
Yeah, I would imagine not. And so I always thought the line was cool and, and it would never stop me from buying a knife. You know, I think it's just added coolness. But from, from a knife company owner's perspective, marketing is a big part of it. And if people are start thinking that it's a more of a specialized blade than it actually is then you'll have people turning their back on it. But you made the choil larger, it seems, for this kind of bushcraft kind of grip, you know, carving and that kind of thing. So just a couple of little tweaks.

Tim Kell [00:43:30]:
Yeah, very minor tweaks. The first sapper didn't have jimping at all. The outrider does. We did open that channel up. I think they're an excellent sheath and people are responding well. You know, you kind of have to teach people in anything that you do, and if you want to stay in your lane and be like, well, this is what it is, then that's fine, you can do that. But I think I use tools for many purposes. I felt like these little tweaks and then pushing it into a different community would let more people enjoy the blade because people that bought them were using them for these use cases.

Tim Kell [00:44:07]:
Not many people were telling me, hey, man, I did a great job searching for mines and I kept my legs, so thanks. But everybody was like, hey, I carried on the ranch and I did a lot of cool stuff.

Bob DeMarco [00:44:17]:
Yeah. I have a solo camping weekend coming up. It was. Was gonna be this weekend. It's been delayed. And that's gonna be one of many knives that comes. But that's the one that I'm gonna have on my belt, I think, is the Outrider, because it's. It's got.

Bob DeMarco [00:44:32]:
It's got everything I like. It's got a very aggressive stance, but it's actually quite a practical knife.

Tim Kell [00:44:38]:
It's the thickest blade we make too. It's 3 16, so it's. It's thicker than anything else. So it's. It's durable.

Bob DeMarco [00:44:44]:
So just to get back to collaborations for a minute, two also very successful collaborations you've done with Tomas, Alas of Tactical Tavern and Melissa Backwoods. Those. Those are also very popular collaborations. Are you expecting to do more runs of those coming up?

Tim Kell [00:45:07]:
Yeah, we actually have some of both coming this year. The 007 collab, really, it's just we. Minor tweaks to a blade that we had already designed based on some of Tomas's feedback. So not a whole lot of changes from its original to his feedback on that blade, but he wanted in different steel. So we're going to do someone S35V actually those were made. We're going to do those. We're also going to do some CTs XHPs in Melissa's blades later this year. And we also have some more carbon steel because, you know, she pushes more into the outdoors.

Tim Kell [00:45:47]:
So ADC RV2 made sense for that blade. So we're going to kind of do EDC and that and then the. I hope to get both of those to market this year. We have a really full schedule up until November and this is only our second release of the 01s. And with the new features that we've added to that, I really want to highlight that blade because it's what started, I think, a movement. I mean, people love the entire Agent series and I think that we. It can stand alone. That's just an incredible blade.

Bob DeMarco [00:46:23]:
Yeah. And so I. You have been generous with me and you sent me the three. This is the three, right? Yeah, I believe the three and the two and Agents from the Agent series. I, I have slacked. I need to. I need to get back on and as soon as the 7 comes out, I definitely need a 007. I love.

Bob DeMarco [00:46:45]:
I'd love to get it in that auxiliary manufacturing handle wrap. But these are incredibly useful blades too. It's. So I'm pretty impressed by how you took the original 001 and ran with it. You know, the, the tweaks you made to the handle made it so incredibly comfortable. I look at the. My original drawing and. And I can just tell it would not have been a very comfortable grip.

Bob DeMarco [00:47:09]:
It kind of looked cool, but that was, that was where I was coming from. It also had the bird's beak utility, but. But you really actually made it an ergonomic masterpiece. And then adding blades is just. Just makes sense here.

Tim Kell [00:47:25]:
Yeah, that's my style. You know, like the, the. The three is the Nightstalker blade. So I was like. That kind of pays homage to the beginnings of the entire Agent series. So. And that. That's a unique blade.

Tim Kell [00:47:37]:
I think I have actually seen that blade style popping up across the industry in the last year or so, which makes sense. That's our best seller, that blade shape. So it just made sense to do that and bring the wharncliffe. We already did. And then there's the. The four and the five that I don't think you have.

Bob DeMarco [00:47:55]:
I don't yet.

Tim Kell [00:47:57]:
We. We need to rectify that because the four is very Puukko Chevy. So it's a little mini puukko sub. 3 inches still. 165 super stout tip. And this little guy is absolutely nasty. So this is the new four that we haven't sent yet. And then the five.

Tim Kell [00:48:22]:
I don't even have one completed from Heat treat yet. It's. It's a little clip point look. I, I modeled it after a folder, but it's the same footprint as the 01 blade, but the grind is completely different. Single edge swedge, high grind. And the thinner steel.

Bob DeMarco [00:48:40]:
Oh, cool. Is it the same profile as the one?

Tim Kell [00:48:43]:
Yeah. It was an accident. When I ordered the steel, I didn't pay attention and they sent it to me at 125. And you can't even tell when you look at the. The five, but it is. So I just made it a. I swedged it all the way up and a single grind. And you'll recognize it when you see it.

Tim Kell [00:49:04]:
But I need to get that out to you also because it's. I mean, it's born from this plate. On accident, the steel came in and I'm like, what in the hell did you do? This is the wrong thickness. And he's like, did you see your po? And I'm like, no. I'm like, what the hell are we going to do? So I was like, well, knife makers make knives. So I just. I made lemons from lemonade and we turned them into the five. The 005, which is.

Tim Kell [00:49:26]:
It's a neat. It's. A lot of people love it. It cuts like a steak knife because it's.

Bob DeMarco [00:49:30]:
That would make a great steak knife. Get a. A fancy handle on it and. Yeah, that's a good idea. Is there a 6?

Tim Kell [00:49:41]:
Well, here's the funny story that what is the 007 was the 006. I had designed it. You can look at that blade and tell that it came from the Nighthawk design and the Ops Hawk design. I just. I wanted it to be more aggressive in its styling because the Agent series is really slim. So I had already designed it well before the. The colab came about for the 007. And it was actually Tomas's idea.

Tim Kell [00:50:09]:
Like, hey, man, can we please call it the 007? I'm like, that's pretty rad. I guess. So we never backed into the six. So six is open. It's like we skipped it. So we have 1 through 5 TBA on the 6, which I actually. Dave Everett, OG Blade reviews, he is really wanting me to put a troop call on that handle platform. And I like where his head's going with it, but I want to make sure we separate it from the O1 because the 01 does double duty in.

Tim Kell [00:50:44]:
In my opinion, due to the.

Bob DeMarco [00:50:46]:
Due to the double edge. It has that back cut. But I. I know where Dave's going with it. I'm sure he wants that. That fruit knife shape, which would be.

Tim Kell [00:50:57]:
Yeah, it is. The trailing point is much more aggressive on that thing.

Bob DeMarco [00:51:01]:
Yeah, Dave is a great guy. I, I'm always talking about. And he, he, he really knows his stuff too with the martial arts.

Tim Kell [00:51:09]:
He does, he trained with, he certainly does. He was actually texting me about like, are we ever gonna do this? Man, it's been a crazy year. You know, we, we took some serious manufacturing losses. We've done incredibly well this year to rebound from that. And I was like, hey, we just kind of had to pause that. I would really like to get back to that. And then there's another design that the knife junkie, I don't know if you've heard of it. Oh, that guy, super good dude.

Tim Kell [00:51:35]:
You check his podcast out too. He's got some great guests on there. There's another design that I'm working with ibon, if you, you should look him up.

Bob DeMarco [00:51:44]:
Oh man, that, that thing is cool. I, you know, you gave me, I don't know, maybe about a year ago. The, the print, the 3D print of it. I absolutely of that in the smaller version that you came up with. I absolutely love it. You know, and, and this is, this is the sort of thing where you can't be impatient about it because, you know, I have no idea what it's like running a knife company. And someday when, when that has gotten to, and that fighter is, is in the works, it's going to be such an exciting thing. But you know, I, I, I just tell myself, well, I'm not a nice company.

Bob DeMarco [00:52:21]:
I don't know what, it's what it takes to run. And you've got all of these different blades that have to come out. You just mentioned manufacturing loss which, without getting too deep into that, like, how did you rebound from that?

Tim Kell [00:52:36]:
It's the support of our community. That's it. I mean, we have historically sold blades at an alarming rate. If you do the mathematics side of that. From six years ago, almost where I got my business license to now, we've grown 3,850%, which is absolutely astonishing. And yeah, I'm like, this is crazy. So we've just been chasing this thing and the support of the community and people being really excited about what we're doing differently in the industry that's, that's allowed us to be able to carry on. I mean it's, we're talking almost a half million dollars and we are a cash based company.

Tim Kell [00:53:19]:
It is there, there, it's been a slog. But our customers have really continued to buy our blades and supported us As a company. And it's, it's been, it's great to see, I mean, without getting in the weeds like you said. It's really inspirational to me and CW just kind of step back, like, man, this is crazy. Against all odds, it shouldn't work. A cash based company should not be able to weather that. And because of the support of the industry in the community we have.

Bob DeMarco [00:53:47]:
Well, I also think you're being maybe a little bit humble and I, you know, I believe what you're saying, but also you have been able to, I'm going to use a corporate term that, that grosses me out, but you've been able to pivot very nicely. When you've been, when you've received blade blanks that have not lived up to your expectations, you've been able to actually turn them into great kind of new ish versions. And I'm thinking of, of the FLN for instance.

Tim Kell [00:54:16]:
Right, right.

Bob DeMarco [00:54:17]:
What did you do with that?

Tim Kell [00:54:19]:
We had originally designed the FLN with Jared from Neve Knives. And then I think for his use case, I didn't hit the mark. I did what I wanted to do, but I didn't do a Jared wanted. So we backed in, tried to make a new one. And when we got them back from the same company, they were wrong. So we sent them out to Dan Hosen of Precision Knife Works in California and had a hollow grind put into those things. And those are coming on the 5th, the 1st, I think maybe alongside October 1st. I don't know, I can't remember, I can't even keep up.

Tim Kell [00:54:57]:
But we just reground those blades into that to make them an incredible blade. Just you have to pivot. You've got to listen to the community. And you can't just let you know, 1600 blades that are jacked up sit on your shelf and cry and go home and make winches. You gotta do something, you know.

Bob DeMarco [00:55:19]:
Well, and also in doing that in, in taking those wind chime blades and fixing them, I am imagining it's closer to Jared's vision. I mean, I know how much Jared values edge geometry, you know, very thin edge geometry. Well, now it's hollow ground and thin. And I know some of his designs that he's had made by W.E. knife Co. And other companies feature a very thin hollow ground blade. So kind of, you know, in a sense you were able to, to dry your tears and make something maybe that you weren't even expecting would be so good.

Tim Kell [00:55:56]:
Yeah, and it's, it's wicked, man, it's wicked. It's so cool.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:00]:
I mean I, I have the first. I'm holding up the, the original FLN and it is by far the, the best karambit I have. I don't have too many karambits, but in terms of grip, in terms of being able to make a natural fist, this thing is awesome.

Tim Kell [00:56:18]:
And that's if I can get this thing to cooperate with me. This is the 2.0 without the hollow. This is the thick version. Now it doesn't. Anyway, it's same flavor, just a little bit slice here and if you recognize it, that's the Piranha grip platform. So again we used the Piranha grip because I like it. It's small, it's compact, but you get a lot of grip so that I don't have to invent a new handle. And I thought it worked already.

Tim Kell [00:56:47]:
So we also use that for Melissa's blade. Again, back to modularity.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:52]:
Love that.

Tim Kell [00:56:52]:
So it didn't start life as a karambit. And then some of the experts are like, what is this thing? I'm like, well this is not at all what Jared said he wanted. But I said let's how about this? We'll get the same functionality and it ended up being this micro compact, nasty little karambati blade and that. Yeah, when you get one of these, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll get it. It is a cut.

Bob DeMarco [00:57:18]:
Yeah, man, this thing, this thing is sweet. And, and actually now that I'm holding it, it needs one of these wire clips. The wire, the, your wire clip that you've been, that you sent me would be perfect for the fln. I had the, I had trouble with how to mount this, how to carry it. For me, I think it works best with lace in the belt and just tug it.

Tim Kell [00:57:39]:
But so well this, this is a prototype of the sheath. We're working with MKM on this. So it's leather, it's going to have three holes, they'll be black and the, it's a magnet style sheath so it has the same amount of retention as a standard Kydex sheath. And we, we got super strong magnets and it's also ambidextrous so you could actually put this blade in this way. But they're going to come in black only with that aph. It'll allow you to IWB tuck this and it will be completely ambi and you can put a DCC clip and it'll be, they'll be in black leather and these will work on the existing FLNs also because it's the same blade profile. So we should have those back. The guys at mkm, that's the Italian knife company, They've.

Tim Kell [00:58:30]:
They've been great to work with. Lorenzo, he's just a good dude. A phenom on the foosball table, by the way. Don't try that.

Bob DeMarco [00:58:40]:
Don't try that.

Tim Kell [00:58:41]:
I'm telling you, Tim, we are.

Bob DeMarco [00:58:43]:
We're. We're up against our hour. Let's just tell everyone. I know people who are watching this, know you probably. But for those who. Who don't know you so well, tell them the. Tell our audience the best way to keep up with you and what you've got going on right now.

Tim Kell [00:59:01]:
Because we were canceled on Patreon last week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We appealed twice and that's it. So we got the news yesterday that we. No more Patreon for us. Our newsletter to the website is going to be the best way. We also have a YouTube community tab. That's really our newsletter.

Tim Kell [00:59:22]:
There's a lot of people, we try to push information through there a lot. Our live streams on Sundays that you can ask a question that's. Typically, we go 10 to 12 Eastern on Sunday mornings to midday to try to keep everybody up to date on everything. So those three. Between those three, you should be able to get all the information that you need.

Bob DeMarco [00:59:41]:
Unreal. Well, thank you so much, Tim, for coming on. It's always a pleasure, man. I love talking with you. I love your knives. And we have some pretty good phone. Phone conversations too, like.

Tim Kell [00:59:53]:
Yeah, yeah. So aside from the industry, great to be a friend of yours.

Bob DeMarco [00:59:58]:
Right back at you. Thank you, Tim.

Tim Kell [01:00:00]:
Thanks, pal.

Bob DeMarco [01:00:07]:
There he goes. Ladies and gentlemen, Tim Kell of Tkel Knives. One of the best out there. And, man, it really sickens me that they've been kicked off a Patreon. That's absolutely absurd. I know. They had a thriving community there, but they do have a thriving community on YouTube 10 to 12 on Sundays Eastern standard time. Check them out there.

Bob DeMarco [01:00:26]:
That's a great show. Also, if you want to order one of those awesome teal knives that you saw, we have a great affiliate link. You just have to use the coupon code Knife Junkie. At sign out, they get a sale, you get 10% off. And I get a little something too. So it works for all of us. All right. For Jim working his magic behind the switcher, I'm Bob DeMarco saying, until next time, don't take dull for an answer.

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