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Announcer 0:03
Welcome to the knife junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:17
Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 89 of the Knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim Person

Bob DeMarco 0:22
and I'm Bob DeMarco Welcome to the show

Jim Person 0:24
The Knife Junkie podcast is the place for knife newbies and Knife Junkie still learn about knives and knife collecting. It's our midweek supplemental episode where Bob gets a chance to dive deep into some of the knife stories and tell us what's going on there. We've got four stories to cover in knife life news this week plus a tip of the week talking about rust boo hiss rushed bad we don't want to see that. We'll get some tips from Bob about rested blades and arrested pivot and also get an update on the cold steel Voyager Chris. So we'll see what's going on there, but first let's dive into the Knife Life news.

Announcer 1:03
You're listening to the Knife Junkie podcast. And now here's The Knife Junkie with the Knife Life News

Bob DeMarco 1:09
So most of us know the rake knife Hummingbird. It was a sort of proof of chops knife that came out by rike knife, a very high end, very high tech manufacturer out of China. They do a lot of extremely intricate milling, biomechanical designs in their handles and, and such well they're Hummingbird was one of the first knives they came out with and it was a tiny, little three, almost four inch knife and that's open. It was a folder, tiny blade, but extremely intricate handles sort of mimicking carve, you know, with with Millen carved out mimicking a wing. In any case, this tiny little jewel of a knife has been upgraded to a daily carry sort of EDC system. Knife it's called the hummingbird plus and Hummingbird plus to me seems like an entree like a rite knife entree into the more reasonably priced knives that people who carry knives and use them on a daily basis might might be willing to spend. That being said, I'm not exactly sure what the price of this is, but you can tell from the materials and 690 for the blade and G 10 or carbon fiber on the yes liner lock frame. So no titanium and no high end steals. So this this is taking a great design that little tiny Hummingbird you know, like I said before, was kind of like a little jewel usable, but tiny. This is taking a very, very nice design, bringing it to sort of a hand sized model and getting it in more hands. I'm looking forward to seeing that. Okay,

Jim Person 2:51
well sounds like it was a appropriately named knife since it's so small and the hummingbird is small that so that that kind of name Make sense? Exactly as opposed to some of the other names you've thrown at me

Bob DeMarco 3:04
in a month we at some point we're gonna have a conversation about naming knives right? But the one thing I want to say this is exciting to me because right knife was always kind of a little bit out of reach in terms of their their their opulent knives are are beautiful and I'd like to experience them but they're not something I want to spend top dollar for. This however looks like something I would spend money on.

Jim Person 3:29
It's pretty cool. Okay, so next up in knife life news knife company I have I always have a hard time saying it open now nicely now. Yeah Nice. Okay.

Bob DeMarco 3:41
An African say up and they'll but the French say open Ellen Okay.

Jim Person 3:44
Well we will go with open it. So anyway, aftermarket deep carry pocket clip that you want to speak about.

Bob DeMarco 3:52
Yeah, this is interesting because the up and now the open L is a is a classic, very inexpensive knife that have been Around 400 some odd years their their French farmers knives. They have these very inexpensive round wooden handles and they're great for EDC because they are super light and sharp and easy to sharpen. However they kind of stink for etc because they have no clip and the handle is perfectly circular. So it'll, it'll inevitably end up falling sideways at the bottom of your pocket and it just sort of bulges out in uncomfortable ways. But someone named Anatoly Olam chenko Designer product designer has come out with a kickstart project for something called the clip and now it's a clip Yes, it's a clip that fits in a friction sort of way over the viral block which is the which is the locking collar, the rotating locking collar at the pivot of an up and now it fits, fits right on that locks on it and takes the place of a lock and it allows you to keep It sort of in a deep carry way. looks interesting. I right now they're making them for the seven, eight and nine the three most popular sizes as you know, up and all goes up to 1313 being the most gigantic and manly of the open all knives as you can see, I'm saying open it up and oh, like

Jim Person 5:19
That's right. Well, you're pleasing everybody.

Bob DeMarco 5:21
Yeah, I need someone to come and correct me.

Unknown Speaker 5:23
Right. Right. as well. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco 5:25
So one downside to this, some people might find it orients your knife naturally tipped down. A lot of people bristle at that but the open l open L is a different style knife. So you know there's very little chance of this thing coming open in your pocket.

Jim Person 5:41
Well, and as I as I learned from a lunch that I had with The Knife Junkie, last week, there's only one correct answer to that question and it is

Bob DeMarco 5:50
tip up, correct. That is correct. If you asked me unless you've got this knife I have right next to me which is the either the Spyderco million Metairie which I can excuse it on and the microtech. So commonly, those are the two knives. I am willing to accept them.

Jim Person 6:07
So it's one of those. This is the way it should be. Except in this case. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Well, we look forward to hearing more about that Kickstarter campaign, which we've had a couple of stories here on the podcast about Kickstarter campaigns in the knife industry. So always an interesting story from that standpoint, as well as about what the product is.

Bob DeMarco 6:30
Yeah, it seems like a good way to do it. So you know that there are actually people who want to buy that product. You're not taking a total gamble, right? It's a calculated risk. Right,

Jim Person 6:40
right. Another story in the knife life news, Hinderer Jurassic. I love that name.

Bob DeMarco 6:46
Yes, three way pivot upgrade. Yes, indeed. It's a it's yet another hinder model that's going through the tri way pivot upgrade that hinder Jurassic is the knife that came out a couple years back to fill the gap between the three inch x m 18 and the three and a half x m 18. Three and a half inch x m 18. The Jurassic is a really cool looking knife comes in a 3.25 inch blade, which is always I'm happy about Jim because it doesn't tempt me that blade sides just does not tempt me but the design does. So if they made this in a four inch or you know something like that i would i would have to get it. But anyway, this is they're going through the gen two now of the Jurassic and they're doing a couple of updates. Chief among them is the tri way pivot. That's something Hendrick came up with a few years back where they offer. They started with the Xm 18 they offer three different pivots. Three different mechanisms for that pivot. You can have the nyla Tron washers, the phosphor bronze washers, or ball bearing washers. And so you get three different kinds of actions and three different kinds of roles. buffness if you will, and you can change according to your needs or your or your whim or your mood. And I think that's a cool thing. It's also coming with 20 cv as opposed to the previous models as 35 vn and it's also coming with the steel lock interface steel lock part interface which to me I love it when I don't have to see it. I like that they exist and I like that they are they're keeping most knives lock up where they need to be but it's always so pleasing when you come across a knife like my my new les George V set first generation which has just absolutely perfect lockup, no lock bar interface. So in any case, that that's coming out from the new, new hinder and this also has a modular Backspacer. So I have to say that I will probably pass on the Jurassic just due to the size but I gotta say it looks beautiful. And when they do the tri way upgrade to the Maximus when they do Maximus two points No and they put the driveway in there I will be first in line. Maximus Jim is the one that it's the double edged dagger. He's one of the few people to make those

Jim Person 9:08
kind of question about the Jurassic, you said it kind of fit in between the Xm 18. And I didn't catch the other one. So it's it's in between two different exams, the size of it.

Bob DeMarco 9:20
Yeah, the Xm 18 comes in a three inch blade and a three and a half inch blade. Okay? Some people find the three inch, just in general, some people find three inch too small. They do it right under three inches. So it's legal in most jurisdictions where three inch laser legal, and three and a half and two that to some people is just too big. You know? So 3.25 when you're dealing with small dimensions like that the difference of a quarter of an inch does have a ripple effect all the way around the design. Right? substantially. shrinks it

Jim Person 9:55
right. Well, I'm just and I'm going to ask a question here that I'm sure you won't know the answer, but You know, maybe somebody does. Why did they make another knife that fit that? Why not just having an x m three, three and a quarter three and a half? Interesting. I don't know. Maybe they needed another, another knife and other brand of the model to have the design? I don't know, just a curiosity question.

Bob DeMarco 10:20
Yeah, I would, I would speculate because I like to do that, that that maybe he just had an itch and he wanted to make that design. So like, where would this fit? You know, maybe the design was already there and just found a found a spot I can't imagine that there was you know, a huge hue and cry for a knife to go between the three and the three and a half inch But hey, man, why not create the need and people not you know, it's 3.253 and a quarter inch blade is very, very popular size.

Jim Person 10:50
Okay, all right. Well, last story, but probably, dare I say the more significant story and in life life news manly knives starts off the new year closing the doors in the USA.

Bob DeMarco 11:06
Yeah, well yeah, it's it's interesting. It's the Bulgarian knife company called manly knives they they came on my radar with a slip joint called the wasp and that was very cool and then a beautiful slender slicey EDC sort of in the tradition of the Spyderco enduro but a substantially different life. And another knife called the comrade a larger, slightly larger slip joint knife well they came out with a new knife to start the year called the manly Blaze. As in Trailblazer, it's an outdoor knife and it's it comes in either D two or a sort of premium version and CPM 154 G 10. handle scales or smooth walnut. It's a four and a half inch blade. It's a beautiful looking thing. And with that announcement, they also announced they are closing the doors of manly USA. Which is the United States distribution arm for the for manly knives which is a Bulgarian company and instead what they're doing is opening something called makers knives which will be a small batch showcase for Bulgarian knife makers, which is very interesting to me. I thought that manly knives was was doing kind of very well among the EDC crowd here but just from watching Kevin queries videos and and believing that Shibez did a video and several others very enthusiastic about the performance of the peak. That's their one that's sort of like a Spyderco knife. And so that being said, I'm just surprised that the that they're they're pulling that aspect of it. But anyway, it'll be interesting to see what Bulgaria and Bulgaria and knife makers have to offer. We've had guest on this show Alex to so who's very interested in collecting knives from from makers on the on the up and up and coming makers and oftentimes they're from Eastern Bloc countries so I'm interested to see what Bulgaria has to offer outside of the traditional manly designs any anything in the press release of the story I mean did they signed any reasons was it financial just production just because they wanted to? I know they do not they do not say what those reasons are they only say what they're going to turn it into which which is a positive, positive and the story I mean, one can only imagine it just wasn't worth their while it was set up I hope that doesn't make these knives like the pizza was been the comrade unavailable. Hopefully we can just buy them from a Bulgarian distribute

Jim Person 13:47
well more of The Knife Junkie podcast coming up. But I do want to remind you that if you have an opinion on any of these stories, or if you have more info on any of the stories, be sure to leave a comment on the listener line at 724-466-4487 that's seven to 44664487 love to get your feedback your inside knowledge whatever it is leave us a comment on the recorded line there and we can play it back on an upcoming episode of the Knife Junkie podcast

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Jim Person 14:23
back on the Knife Junkie podcast episode number 89. Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco here I'm Jim Person. Thanks for joining us on the Knife Junkie podcast hope you're enjoying it. Please consider giving us a rating or review. We'd love to get some honest feedback on what you like about the show don't like about the show and share it with a friend Bob and Jim will have more of The Knife Junkie podcast in a minute. But now here's this week's tip of the week. Alright, Tip of the Week Bob some some news that we can use, if you will. And it's got to do with that battle thing called rust.

Bob DeMarco 14:56
Yes. Well there are two tips actually. So recently I was doing my cold steel collection videos and noticed on a few of the knives I hadn't opened in a little while that some rusted settled and yeah I was shocked but what I take good care of these things you know I felt a little betrayed. But anyway I found that mostly this was happening on bead blasted some of my older OS eight blades for instance the Rajah two and the Spartan those both have been blasted blades at least the ones I did I got first generation because I was waiting to them before anybody else. Absolutely. It now they make them in stonewashed. Anyway I got him with the bead blast and as As you may or may not know, when you Beat Blast something, what you're doing is taking thousands and thousands of thousands of these tiny little balls of medium and shooting them at high speeds against the metal and it gives it that nice subdued Look, some people like it Some people don't like it but it gives it a subdued look. When you look at it in under a microscope you will see that there are millions of little pits on that surface and that's what kind of knocks down the gloss of the steel. Those little pits are susceptible to rust especially if you don't use the thing often and there's humidity introduced which apparently there was you know, sometimes we'll have party and people who can see your knives and i'll i'll show you with my knives and then I'll forget to you know they'll open everyone up with their grubby greasy hands and I'll barely and I will forget to wipe them down and sometimes that leads to rest. Well steel will a very light gauge or not course gauge, fine gauge of steel wool and mineral oil will handle that if you don't want to get rid of the if you don't want to get rid of the bead blast finish. You don't want to Worry at it and you don't want to add a lot of pressure but just put the oil on there and lightly rub it out and try and go with any sort of grain that might be present but but if it's if it's adequately be blasted there will be no grain and and that oil should take care of it. Now what I do because I don't I'm not particularly fond of the bead blast finish is I will take some very light sandpaper and just sand the whole blade and it does two things. It eliminates a lot of those pits those micro pits makes it smoother, less susceptible to rust, while at the same time giving it a sort of weathered look that I really like. So around around the grind lines are the seat seems but around the grind lines, it will be a little darker. Or I'm sorry, a little lighter. Because it's a it's a peak in the in the topography of the blade so it's getting a little bit more abrasion and it just makes the knife look cool and it's so Sort of sort of highlights the grind?

Jim Person 18:02
Well, I think you answered my question I was going to ask you if you like the bead blasted finish, but kind of take it from that response you just gave that you maybe bought them when they were introduced and popular but you've kind of changed your tune about liking the bead blast.

Bob DeMarco 18:18
Yeah, it's very rare that you'll see a bead blast on a high end knife. And now it escapes me but one recently did come out that had to be blessing that was a little bit shocked. And now I can't remember what it is. Maybe someone could write in what that is. Yeah. But yeah, so steel wool and mineral oil or straight up fine sandpaper if you if you want to change the look of the blade.

Jim Person 18:43
So you said two tips in one you were talking about rusted blades, but also the pivots which can can rust as well.

Bob DeMarco 18:50
Yes. Okay. So I have this bad habit, Jim, of leaving the sunroof of my car popped up. You know, not all the way open, but the venue on the Okay and and I parked backwards in the driveway the driveway slopes down. So when we have rain, water comes in, gets her I goes, Yeah, it goes right where I keep my little buck solo slip joint in the in the console of the car. It's a little kind of do everything small, slip joint knife, cheap, cheap little guy but I love it. It's got a nice bone handle on I don't want anything to happen to it well, I take pretty good care of that little knife The other day I took it out to use it and I could barely well Okay, so that's that's an exaggeration, it was harder to open than usual. Some rust had formed in that pivot in the last several weeks when water had come in the last time and I hadn't hadn't checked your notice. And so this has happened to me before and I was trying to remember what what my procedure was. And so this is this is what I did. I took the little knife it's a little knife so you can you know, do this. You might not want to immerse the whole knife in Alcohol like I'm about to do, but you can definitely do this with the pivot on a slip joint. So I laid the whole thing and addition of alcohol for a few minutes and then open, pulled it out of the alcohol opened it and closed it opened it it closed a bunch of times and dried it off. Okay. And then I took some compressed air you know, like the kind of used to compute, right, right, computer, draw it out now, exactly. blasted out with that, and then I blast in some gun oil. I think the hops are hopes Number Number nine, but anything that's a high friction or thin kind of oil, put it in there and do the same thing open, close, open, close, open, close, and then put it back in the alcohol blast it again. And you can see that the that what comes out is now much lighter. I did that one more time with this. And then I was like, Okay, well, this isn't a GC maybe for GC. I keep going with this and do it a couple more times. But Really that opening and closing motion and then alcohol, oil and compressed air, really cleaned it out and it's pretty much back to normal.

Jim Person 21:09
Okay, so I don't know much about chemistry, medical, mental reactions, that type of thing, but it's the alcohol I'm assuming that starts eating at the rust or loosening up the rust and then when you spray the gun oil and it gets lubricated and helps wash it away and blowing and player in there and blah, blah, blah.

Bob DeMarco 21:29
Yeah, I think really, the greatest thing is the friction of the opening does the most because this is just this does not have washers. So this is the blade Tang right against the liners. So there's nothing in the middle there. If you can get enough liquid in oil in there and open and close open and close that friction and then blast it out. wipe it down, you're going to be able to get in between those right?

Jim Person 21:57
Well, I would definitely be interested in hearing Knife Junkie podcast listeners experiences of what they do if they happen to in an experience rust on either their blades or their pivots Please love to hear from you What's your solution seven to 44664487 724-466-4487 or shoot Bob an email at Bob at The Knife Junkie calm and let us know your solutions whether it's a inexpensive solution or you have an expensive one that you'd like to share. We'd love to hear from you about that.

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Jim Person 22:36
all right Bob moving on Final kind of thing you wanted to talk about Cold Steel Voyager Kris we were hoping you would have it but alas, you're disappointed

Bob DeMarco 22:47
Yes, yes. Okay. On and on with my first world problems but this was kind of a buzzkill. I gotta say, I ordered the cold steel voyageur Kris from from knife center. My favorite and longest used knife purveyor online. And I saw a little thing ships in two to three days. I got I thought, two to three days, like, why would it be two to three days if they had it on hand, they could ship it the next day, if they didn't have it on hand. I'm betting it's going to take longer than two or three days to get the knife center to come to me. But I was like, you know, I don't care. I just want to I want to get on this and, and then as I as I press the Go button, it says this, you know, are you patient this? This could take a couple of days. Are you ready? And I was like, Yeah, I can handle it. Kind of knowing that if it's actually just a couple two, three days, then I will be surprised and happily so. And then a couple days go by and then a week goes by and my brother emails me he's like I got I got my voyager Kris but and I'm center said it's going to take a couple of days and I was like brother Good day. And then yesterday I get this contrite email. Hey, man, sorry. But, you know, hold up from the manufacturer, we just we just don't have it. We can either refund your money, or you want to just keep the order the same. And I'm like, Of course I'm going to keep the order the same, just leave the order. But come on. I know you didn't have that damn, no, just just be straight up with me. Now I'm not I'm not calling knife center, not straight up there. They have always been, you know, right on and awesome. But that's just me and my anticipation and my expectation getting the best of me. I knew exactly what I was getting into. When I purchased that, especially when they had that special window pop up. Are you patient? Are you going to be patient? Might be two or three days. Okay, well,

Jim Person 24:48
maybe, you know, you never know what happens with manufacturing, shipping logistics. I mean, you know, maybe they were anticipating at a certain date and then, you know, who knows, you know, where's that knife being made? I'm one

Bob DeMarco 25:00
wonder Oh, I'm assuming it's in Taiwan. Okay, gosh, Don't tell me it's being held up internationally. Alright, well, we'll get to that another time.

Jim Person 25:10
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I was thinking China because as I've heard a lot of stories about, you know, all the smartphone production is going to be down TV production that's going to be down all the ripple effects on the you know, the economy and businesses and those kind of things. So yeah, anyway, who knows?

Bob DeMarco 25:28
Well, anyway, I don't mean to talk talk ill of Knife Center. they've, they've kept me going since 1998.

Jim Person 25:35
All right, that's about gonna wrap it up. We'll We'll end on that cheery note. Knife Junkie podcast number 89. Thanks so much for joining us. We'll have links to the stories that we mentioned here on the show today at The Knife junkie.com slash eight nine again, if you have any thoughts, comments, questions, 724-466-4487 or email Bob at Bob at The Knife junkie.com. I'm gonna let you have the final word being The Knife Junkie before we wrap it up here.

Bob DeMarco 26:05
Well I would say definitely don't let your stuff rust because it's hard to bring it all the way back there there are things you can do but that stain will always be there on that blade and you know that pivot will always be affected so try not to let the red rust move in people try not to

Jim Person 26:23
red rest stay away for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco I'm Jim that I've newbie person thank you so much for joining us on the Knife Junkie podcast

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