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Welcome to the Knife Junkie Podcast. Your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your host, Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco.

Bob DeMarco [00:00:16]:
Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this edition of the show, I'm speaking with knife tuber extraordinaire Scott Baldwin, or Scab, as he may more commonly be known from choir boys outdoors. As a knife tuber myself, my consumption of knife review videos has waned in recent years. Kind of like the cobbler's kids wear no shoes. The algorithm instead has me pegged as someone more readily taken in by cooking, wristwatch or other guys on camping trip videos. But Scott has remained one of my favorite youtubers, no matter what the subject. He is also one of those trusted voices in the knife world that I refer to from time to time in my own videos.

Bob DeMarco [00:01:01]:
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Bob DeMarco [00:01:44]:
Scott, welcome back to the Knife Junkie podcast, sir. It's great to see you man.

Scott Baldwin [00:01:55]:
Thank you for having me. I, I don't know that I can live up to that introduction, but I, I appreciate it very much.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:02]:
Well, you've already lived up to it. That's. That's how come it got rich. It's good, it's good to see you. And last time I saw you was at Blade show and you were, we were showing off some of our, our purchases which was cool. Let's, let's start there. What was, what was. What do you love best about Blade Show? What are those highlights there?

Scott Baldwin [00:02:24]:
Honestly, Blade show, for me it's one of those weird things where you get to see everybody and nobody all at the same time. I think my favorite part is Just talking to folks in knife tube. I always enjoyed seeing you there. The knives are great. That's why we go, right. But I enjoy the interaction. I think that's my favorite part.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:49]:
I feel like those of us who make knife videos, probably all video makers on YouTube, we spend a lot of time in the virtual world making these things and then watching other people's videos, that kind of thing. That when you actually get to meet people in person, it's like you're being let loose.

Scott Baldwin [00:03:08]:
Yeah, yeah. And it's cool, man. It's, it's like you meet people that you know, you have something in common with. No matter your background, no matter your financial, no matter anything you have that. We have knives and we have steel and we have passion and really, truly, honestly, that's like one of those rare moments where we can share with like minded people, like really react. Cause everybody else thinks we're nuts, crazy, or you know, what do you got that many for, you know, or, or they expect you to, you know. So for me, blade shows just really, I'll tell you the truth, man. I have been treated insanely well at blade show both times by folks just walking and talking by knife makers.

Scott Baldwin [00:03:59]:
I always enjoy though speaking with, with other knife tubers and just getting that proof. I think it's a shared experience and for me that I, man, I can't, I can't really stress that enough. And if you're a new knife tuber, try to make it to one of the blade shows. Honestly, I think you'd enjoy.

Bob DeMarco [00:04:20]:
Yeah, definitely. I told people on the live show that we do here, if you're there, you know, I know your name from, from the screen, but I don't know what you look like, so come up and say hi. I love that. I mean, I, I, I've really realized I'm, I'm, I'm a social butterfly. And you know, especially when I'm around all those knife people, like, I just want to talk to everyone.

Scott Baldwin [00:04:45]:
Yeah, absolutely. And try to, I try. But you feel, you feel like you talk to everybody and nobody. You feel like a million people and miss everybody. That part's bizarre to me, you know.

Bob DeMarco [00:05:00]:
You know, you, well, you, you said, yeah, it, well, it is for sure. Because you also know you're going there, you want to, there are certain makers you want to catch up with. There are definitely certain people you want to see. And then you leave and you're like, oh, I never, you know, I missed that. But you were, you were saying, you know, we're, we're A bunch of nuts. Or at least people think we're nuts. And, and that's, to a degree, why I started doing this is because, you know, my wife likes knives, but only up until a certain extent, you know, there's only so much dialogue. She'll suffer, you know, around knives.

Bob DeMarco [00:05:36]:
So I figured, why not talk to like minded people? What was it that, that got you to start choir outdoors?

Scott Baldwin [00:05:42]:
Man, I, I don't know if we talked about this last time, but honestly. And it, it's, it's not as deep as it sounds, but I was just coming out of a heavy addiction and I. One of the things that kind of bounced with me or resonated with me, and people don't understand this, Bob and I, it's hard to explain it to somebody because you're not glorifying. But when you are in addiction, whether it's opioids, alcohol, whatever it is, you have to hustle to feed that addiction. So when I quit, man, I was relieved I quit. But I had also realized that, dude, I hadn't, I, I promise you, I hadn't sat down and watched TV for probably a decade. And so quitting, that's one thing, that's great, but it's the nervous energy. And I've watched a bunch of.

Scott Baldwin [00:06:39]:
I watch it, man. Knife bro, Donnie B. All day. I mentioned him a lot, but Donnie. It was Donnie's video on this knife, the cold steel, that really. I said, I'm doing it. And the reason that I said I'm doing it is anybody that doesn't follow Donnie, you should, because Donnie, he's passionate, man. And Lonnie is going to disagree with 99% people on certain designs and things, but he did a review of this knife and I thought, and I really thought, I said, man, that guy, he loves it.

Scott Baldwin [00:07:20]:
And it resonated with me and we fired it up. And Donnie was one of the first guys to. To answer question, to help me with the channel so that, I mean, that's what it was. But it wasn't like, I've done this now for five years, five and a half. And I don't ever want to glorify that or do it. Oh, woe is me. Because this thing really, knife tube in general turned my whole thing around. And I had a lot of knives, Bob.

Scott Baldwin [00:07:56]:
And this is kind of scary. And it, but, but as a heavy drug user, man, I bought a ton of knives now. Not hurt anybody.

Bob DeMarco [00:08:05]:
No, no, I get it.

Scott Baldwin [00:08:07]:
But I mean, it's like. And it, it's not again, it's not some deep dark place. I think really what it did, it brought something to the surface that I didn't understand until I got clean. And so that's what fired it up. That's what started it. And it's a blast ever since was.

Bob DeMarco [00:08:29]:
Like, you've got, you know, in your, in your pre YouTube days when you were overindulging you, you've got a lot of late nights, you're up late, you're. You've got a lot of energy. You're scrolling, you do, you do those little thighs where you're like, oh, oh, I bought it. Oh no. Going back from that. We've all done that and I could see how you need to fill that void with, with something and why not fill it with talking about this other thing that you love, you know?

Scott Baldwin [00:08:58]:
Well, and I didn't know what I was doing and I still don't to a large degree. But that's why I am huge on encouraging people to start. And at some point, Bob, we need to talk about maybe doing a series, maybe having you on Blade Talk with Scavenger. We really, I think we need to do some kind of series where we help some of these younger, newer or newer, not younger, but newer creators start, you know, maybe give some tips to avoid the pitfalls. I think that would be cool, you know, and have different voices, you know. No, no one central voice have different voices because I see people get in and I see their heart and I see their passion and, and there's some folks, man, you watch it die and it's like there's. They don't really have any. And I'm not saying we can't build everybody to a certain level.

Scott Baldwin [00:09:59]:
Right? Yeah, but I don't want anybody's passion to get killed because of the Internet or because they just didn't. I'm too hard headed. I said I didn't know what I was doing. Um, I don't, I don't now but I'm too hard headed to quit, you know. But I, I really would like to get some guys, you, some other guys who, who have been around it and understand kind of the pitfalls and just. I don't. I won't call it a class, but maybe let's do, let's do a little series of things to look out for.

Bob DeMarco [00:10:34]:
Perhaps it's sort of, sort of like a roundtable. This is actually an idea very similar to an idea that Jim has had for a while. But it'd be, it would be like doing a round table and having someone there and they can, they can, you know, bounce ideas off you and everything. You know, there's something, you and I are the same age, and there's something to becoming a man of a certain age where you kind of just don't care so much about what people think. And it, there's a freedom to that that is. Oh, man, like, I wish I felt the way I feel now, you know, 30 years ago. So maybe instilling a little bit of that attitude in someone who's new, and it doesn't mean young in age. It could just be someone who's 65 years old who's starting, but just to get them.

Bob DeMarco [00:11:22]:
Get their feet wet.

Scott Baldwin [00:11:24]:
Yeah. Cause I see, I see I had help. And I mean, like, like I said, Donnie stepped up big for me. Another guy, Backyard Samurai, stepped up big for me. And, and, and some of these guys did it, you know, they, they, they may not still be on knife tube today, but they instilled certain things. Backyard Samurai instilled giving, you know, one channel to the other. And I, I don't know if you've experienced this. I'm, I'm sure you hadn't been on here so long, but, you know, if you gift another channel something, there's always the comment, well, you always give stuff to other channels because it helped me.

Scott Baldwin [00:12:11]:
Right. So. And we can't control what other people say. And, and honestly, Bob, I'm not even talking about, like, trying to help people with trolls because you, you got to ask yourself if you have thick skin, you know? You know, if you have thick skin and if you don't, don't get on you, because you won't. Backyard Samurai, he gave me a. There's a battle axe over there. And he's given me several things, and he's given a lot of people things. And so I try to pay it forward.

Scott Baldwin [00:12:42]:
That was all he asked, pay it forward. And those things help build relationships and they actually help maybe somebody who's just starting out with a little credibility, if that makes sense.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:59]:
It does, actually. You talk about relationships. It. One of the, one of the things I love about your videos, I, you have a whole bunch of different kinds of videos. And you know, I know you've done a lot with shorts, and I also know you've done a lot with long form test videos, and those are the ones that first drew me in. But I love your. You have sort of, for lack of a better term, sort of philosophy videos. You'll be driving in your car, you'll just turn on the, the camera and something's been eaten at you.

Bob DeMarco [00:13:32]:
And, and you have at it you recently, without getting too specific on, on my end, you can get as specific as you want. But you recently did one kind of. On relationships and, and how, you know, whether it's other knife tubers or knife makers, upstart companies, you know, they're asking for some faith from those of us who invest money in them or time in them. And then when they don't, when they don't kind of produce, it can. It can be a problem. Especially if you put your own name to helping them. Can you talk about that?

Scott Baldwin [00:14:14]:
Yeah. Well, I was talking about heavyset, tactical. And the reason I'm bringing him up by name is Jonathan was with me at Blade show. And I don't know where he's at in his head right now, but I know this. I went to bat for that guy. And if he needed me, if he reached out, I would be there. But Bob, we put, you know, people watch these things, man. They've watched you for years now.

Scott Baldwin [00:14:45]:
They've watched me for a certain amount of time. People trust us, right? They trust you. I know they trust you. I know they do because I do. I trust what you say. So when we're out there, we tout someone because we're, we're. We're holding on to what they've made and then they screw somebody over. And, and let me, Let me just say this too.

Scott Baldwin [00:15:08]:
I'm not talking about a misunderstanding. I'm talking about when it's time. And we've seen it. We've seen it with Carnivora. I got ram there survived knives. And I did it big time. And listen, I don't mean any real will on these people, but dude, they screwed people over.

Bob DeMarco [00:15:28]:
They took their money.

Scott Baldwin [00:15:30]:
Yeah, yeah. And it. There's no like survive. And Guy never sent me a thing. I talked to him a couple times and I Distance. But people watch us and they're spending their money. You work, I work. We're not getting rich off this.

Scott Baldwin [00:15:52]:
So somebody goes out and they. They get a custom knob that I. Of course, I wouldn't have one. But if they purchase a knife. Well, you know what? We'll do this right here. I do have it. This is one of the most reputable guys I've ever come across. William Collins.

Scott Baldwin [00:16:12]:
That's the Gray man by William Collins. Fuel the fire. Right? William has an established business. That knife's between 3 and $400. So when somebody puts that kind of money up and I don't. Bob, I don't for what they have, dude, $400 is $400, bro. And somebody intentionally takes. That's wrong.

Scott Baldwin [00:16:40]:
It's theft, you know, and the whole addiction thing. And I mentioned this in that video, and I meant it, and I mean it now. Addiction. Addiction's not an excuse, man. Addiction is not an excuse. This ain't some old, poor, pitiful me or we're not heroes. The damage that we do. Again, I don't know where John's at.

Scott Baldwin [00:17:03]:
I'd like to see him right and ship. But here's what happened. And, and you know, you get so far behind, man, and then not only can he not catch up and maybe people don't feel this way. I've had people go, man, don't worry about it. It's hard not to worry about it. It's hard. I take that stuff personally, you know, especially when I've said, hey, this is a great knife, because it wants, you know, what he's doing. So I, it.

Scott Baldwin [00:17:37]:
And it puts me in a quandary, I think, like, it would put all of us in a quandary because there are. Dude, there, there are thousands of phenomenal knife makers out there, man, but every form, somebody new gets me up. I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical, and I never got into this skeptical, you know, or I didn't get this to. I don't know, man. I, I, that video meant a lot to me. I meant it. I don't say stuff I don't mean.

Scott Baldwin [00:18:11]:
And very protective of us, of knife tubers. And to me, knife tubers is not somebody. And this is a bashing and saying what knife tube is to me. Knife tube is to me, working folks. Folks who don't have huge teams, who don't have huge production companies, who don't aren't celebrities and nothing wrong with that. We need some of that to help perpetuate knife tube. But to me, knife tube is folks coming together and sharing their passion of knives and for knives. That's what it is.

Scott Baldwin [00:18:51]:
And if, if we don't have trust, then. Then all we are is one more community on YouTube that got tanked by law.

Bob DeMarco [00:18:58]:
It's. It's sitting around the coffee table with your friends BSing with, with knives. Just since you mentioned heavyset tactical, I'm rooting for that guy. I've followed him. You know, he had a channel and I, I loved his taste in edc and his knives looked great and from everything I heard, so hopefully he digs himself out of the morass and. But I, I think it takes someone maybe with your experience to say addiction is not an excuse use, you know, but it's not.

Scott Baldwin [00:19:32]:
It's not. And I, and let me to everybody watching Bob and I didn't talk about this beforehand. This is my, I'm saying, and I love John. I, I, we had a great time at Blake show. I'm pulling for, I'm pulling for anybody, but there comes a time when, you know, I can pull for people and I do, but gotta make up for what you've done. You know, I, I don't think he needs to be part of life for a while. I, I, I'm not a gatekeeper. I don't want to be.

Scott Baldwin [00:20:07]:
But I, dude, I had a lot of people reaching out. I mean, out of nowhere. That video didn't just appear because there was one instance and, and see when what happens, Bob, in this case is you do have white knights in the community. And, and again, this is me. This isn't Bob, this is me. You got gatekeepers and you got white knights who sit on go to wait and abash anybody they can. So you'll get people watching you. Well, you know, they did it.

Scott Baldwin [00:20:38]:
And so, you know, if it's what now I can tell you man to man, if it's one person, I'm not making a video about it because to me, it's a relationship that went sour. Now when it starts getting to 2 and 3 and 4 and 5, how long do you let it go? You know, how long then do you let it go before that? There's one more mark of you not being responsible and saying, hey. And so that's where I was at. I'd gotten to a point where I have to now say something. And that's came off a little angry because I was. Because now I've got to make this video that I don't make.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:19]:
Well, you seem, you seem the sort of angry someone is towards a good friend who, who messes up and you're like, look, man, yeah, I recommended you for this job and you kept falling asleep on the job and now it looks bad on me. Yeah, I get that. And I think, I think that that's really evident. Came through on the video.

Scott Baldwin [00:21:39]:
And I haven't heard from it. Heard from. I haven't. But, but honestly, man, Carnivore did the same thing.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:48]:
And because what would happen with Carnivore? Because I love the look of those knives. I don't have any. I think I held some at Blade Show. I'm pretty sure they've been to Blade Show. Right. And what did they disappear?

Scott Baldwin [00:22:06]:
It's a lot. It's a long, complicated story. But no, no, if we will make it long, I'll make it quick up front. Everything looked legit. But what, what I began to notice in what I started to fear and what came out, not this past blade show, but the one before that was, it was almost like the Ponzi scheme. You know, they were taking in money for knives, robbing Peter to pay. Paul got behind again. Except in their case, there were some major.

Scott Baldwin [00:22:41]:
And I don't want to say a whole lot about it because I think there's like some legal stuff going on, but dude, you talked about knife to the back. Because I touted them heavy. Because I loved what they did. I, I, that's part of my passion. I think I showed you some of their stuff last time. I love crazy stuff. And those lives weren't cheap. They weren't cheap.

Scott Baldwin [00:23:06]:
And so you're asking people to shell out money and I might even have it. I don't know the old saying of beating a dead horse. But again, it's one of those things where it started snowballing and before, before I realized it, I had to make a video. And I hate making them stupid videos. I like my riding with scabs where we're having fun. I like reviewing knives. I like seeing what other people have. Now I'm like you, and I'm glad you mentioned this because the longer you do this, the less life reviews you want.

Scott Baldwin [00:23:42]:
You just don't have, you don't have the time really. And I, I'm like you, man. The camping videos, the extreme camping videos, dude, who's those? That's my jam. I love that, love that. But, but I support knife tubers. I catch a lot of folks who shorts. I'll catch your podcast, I'll catch certain long form videos and I try to leave likes and comments and I try to send knives out to channels that may not get the opportunities that I have, but especially like with the work up and you know, it's just all part of it. It's fun.

Scott Baldwin [00:24:26]:
That part I like. It's fun.

Bob DeMarco [00:24:28]:
So something you do that I love. And I gotta say, this is like an early morning. I get up very early and I have a little time to myself and there's always a portion of the morning where I'm watching YouTube. We'll leave it there. But I love your videos. Lately they've been cold steel and for a long while, Rose Craft, where you take a knife and every day you put it to hard use. Whether it's 10 cuts through a fire hose or. Or I'm going to use this D2 slip joint until it falls apart.

Bob DeMarco [00:25:03]:
And I love those. It's. They do a couple of things. First of all, I'm sure from your perspective, they, they. It's a series so it solidifies a viewing audience. They just kind of, oh, here he is again cutting this.

Scott Baldwin [00:25:15]:
Yeah.

Bob DeMarco [00:25:15]:
Oh, okay. What's he going to talk about this time? Because a lot of it has to do with just the human interact. Interaction. We're not actually interacting. But you're talking to the camera so familiar. Because it's something you do so often. Tell us a little bit about that. I mean, you know, how did you get into doing these daily testing videos and what have you learned from them?

Scott Baldwin [00:25:37]:
The, the. How I got into it was specifically through Ragecraft. I love Rosecraft. I love Andy and Swag Swags and all have a very, very different relationship. Almost familial, almost because we have a lot of commonalities. But man, I wanted to do something for him. We get, for folks that don't know when you get on YouTube or you get on knife tube, whatever you start off with, people put you in a box. Like I'm known for, for crazy fixed blades and big fixed blades.

Scott Baldwin [00:26:14]:
Bob's known for big fixed blades. I am not known for pocket knives. So as much as I love pocket knives and love reviewing pocket knives, they don't get the view. And so if a company seemingly knives like Rosecraft sends me all kinds of. If I can't get the views through a long form, I thought let's try this. And we're the same age, we grew up with uncles and grandfathers and great uncles. They carried slip joints. So I thought this will be cool.

Scott Baldwin [00:26:49]:
There's a lot of just falsehoods about slip joints. And I thought. And that started it and then I got a lot of views on you just to be real with you. They really did well. And I thought this is a way that I can say thank you to Rosecraft. I can show their stuff and, and make a really. So that. I mean that's how it started.

Scott Baldwin [00:27:12]:
And then I'm a cold steel freak. Talked about that before.

Bob DeMarco [00:27:17]:
All right, all right, let's talk about cold steel in a second because I can't get enough. Like literally I just ordered two things last night. I actually just happened. But the Rosecraft, those slip joint videos in particular, I don't remember what the Barlow is called, I don't have that one. But it, it really, first of all oftentimes, you're cutting, like, sandblasting pipes and all sorts of crazy stuff that, that I, I, I don't use those at work. I, you know, I don't. So I have an inkling that these knives can take that kind of use. But to see it over and over, day in, day out, day, and, and to see that you haven't stropped it or sharpened it in a while and all that really kind of sold me.

Bob DeMarco [00:28:08]:
I mean, I didn't need any more selling on the form. I love, I love slip joints. But to see the evidence is important.

Scott Baldwin [00:28:17]:
Yeah. In that you ask what I learned from it. What I learned from it was I learned a ton. Like, when you start cutting every day, one of the byproducts of it. One of the things I learned from. We don't use our knowledge as much as we hope we do. We really don't. It's easy being knife tubers.

Scott Baldwin [00:28:41]:
And for those of y' all don't know, it's just knife tube is a, Is a term. It's not knife reviewers. It's just knife tubers. We love knives. But it revealed to me how little. Even though I have a channel, I actually, like, really use a knife. So it showed me it takes effort to, I mean. Cause nobody's gonna use a knife that much unless you're a chef or a baker or something like that.

Scott Baldwin [00:29:09]:
That's the first thing. The second thing I learned from it was knife maintenance, believe it or not. It started to instill in me, okay, I don't want to run this thing all the way dull. So I need to strop it this amount of times or hone it this amount of times. It taught me a lot of knife safety, because y' all don't notice a lot. But when I fold something to cut it, I stab myself every so. And before somebody said, you haven't learned. Oh, I learned.

Scott Baldwin [00:29:39]:
I learned every time I dig it and I, I move it back. But, man, I've, I've really, It's really. I'm glad you brought that up, man, because it's really, really, really, really, really revived my love. Not for knowledge that'll always be there, but for, like, YouTube and, and social media and that kind of thing. And it, It's. I'll be honest with you, too. The other thing I learned is this. It is a constant source of content.

Scott Baldwin [00:30:06]:
Cause as much as I love knives, I enjoy the, I enjoy the growth part, if that, you know, that ports. There are folks who don't care about growth at all. And I admire that. I really do. I'm not one of them. I like to push the boundaries and it's a challenge. So it really from that standpoint and I monitor really helped a ton. In fact, I'm glad you mentioned it too because I've got to do mine for tonight.

Scott Baldwin [00:30:41]:
So I'll porch when we're done, dudes that you just stroll by. My wife and I, Megan and I went kayaking Sunday, Saturday Ocklawaha. That little short I put up of that gator, it. It's kind of grainy but man, that was a nine or ten foot gator, dude. That thing looked. I'm. I'm blind and everybody knows my eye floats. You can see it on this.

Scott Baldwin [00:31:11]:
I'm sure you could see it. I can't help it. But Megan was in front of me and we're, we're going. It was just gorgeous. And I see her kayak kind of turn to the side and she reached down. So I immediately start looking. That's a sign something's over there and I can't. I'm like.

Scott Baldwin [00:31:30]:
She said, do you see it? And I lied. I said, yeah, but that thing was so big, man, it looked like a truck tire leaning up against that tree. Oh my. She said, it looks like a truck tire. So when she said, I said holy smokes it. That was the second largest gator and I live in Florida. If you live in Florida, gators are abundant. But some gators, but that was just cool.

Scott Baldwin [00:31:58]:
That had nothing to do with knives. I did have. I can. I took my trusty William Collins in AEB Dash shell because where we were at can be kind of brackish. But I thought this isn't going to do nothing to that gators for weeks. Turn around.

Bob DeMarco [00:32:15]:
He's gonna pick bits of you out of his teeth with that knife.

Scott Baldwin [00:32:18]:
Yeah, yeah, that, that's. That was a bad boy there and then we seen the little one. But that that's thing was big. But being on the ocklawaha and things like that, the cutting every day has really kind of honed in what I carry with me, if that makes sense. The cutting materials you mentioned, the sandblast hose and the ratchet strap, man, I really, really, really go back and forth with that. I don't think many people use those things on YouTube. And so for me I'm going, well, this is an industrial material. But another part of me is like, dude, people have no clue what you're coming.

Scott Baldwin [00:33:05]:
So I kind of, I do waffle on it a little Bit, but I, you know, what else do you cut? You cut what you have around.

Bob DeMarco [00:33:15]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but it's also obvious from the, the locations where you do these. You know, if it's not at home, it's at work it seems. And you can see the work environment. You know, you've got a lot of tools and heavy equipment and stuff around. People know that. You know, I, I've never held a sandblasting hose in my life, but I can, I can just tell from its use that it's, it's a serious material that you're cutting through.

Scott Baldwin [00:33:41]:
Send you some. Next time we have one blow out, I'll send you some. It's, it's a cool material. Yeah, I'll add joint on.

Bob DeMarco [00:33:49]:
So cold steel. Cold steel. Recently I noticed, well, you started the series with the drop point, a large Voyager or XL Voyager. And then, and then you got the, the Spartan serrated and you've been going to town with these. What is it about cold steel? I mean, you don't have to sell me on them, but what do you love about cold steel?

Scott Baldwin [00:34:15]:
I love their knowledge. I, and I'm, it's. I've got a whole thing of them right here beside me. Cold steel, their number, not, not customer service, not anything in that manner. But their knowledge just resonate with me. And I'll tell you what started it is those old Lynn Thompson videos where they're cutting, right? And they showed again, showed it was cool, it was all right. Probably not cool people thinking crazy, but it's all right to cut stuff. And I got to sit and have dinner with Wayne this past Blade show and so man, talking to him kind of really, even though he doesn't own it anymore, like this vaquero, it's fully serrated.

Scott Baldwin [00:35:03]:
But having Lynn kind of explained, you know, the dynamics when you look at a cold steel and I, my channel, I, I think you focus some on, on the self defense and how to carry. My channel is typically not like that. But you can't have a cold steel and not think about some kind of self defense, self offense. You can't think of a cold steel and not think of it as not a weapon. And I probably didn't say that right. But it's not just that they're not scared to have fun. I just love their stuff. What is it for you? What, what's your big thing?

Bob DeMarco [00:35:45]:
Well, for me, you know, when I was in high school, a friend of mine was like, oh, there's this knife. A friend of mine was really into Knives when I was in high school and he introduced me to cold steel with the original tanto. And he's like, yeah, man, CIA operatives carry these and they can punch them through a car door.

Scott Baldwin [00:36:02]:
Oh my God.

Bob DeMarco [00:36:03]:
You know, I got obsessed with it and then I bought the. The Tonto from the Randall Park Mall outside of Cleveland. There was a knife store and they had this cold steel I saved up for it. That is still my bedside knife. I've had it for 40 whatever years. And yeah, I just 30 some odd years and I just love that knife. And to me, the thing that kept me coming back, I never thought Lynn. A lot of people like apologists.

Bob DeMarco [00:36:33]:
You know, I like Colt steel, but that Lynn Thompson, he's an unsavory character. I think he's one of the coolest guys I've ever met. No, he's also a badass, by the way. But what I love, especially about cold steel knives is that he's got and. And I believe that the company has carried this on in his absence. But he's got this insane wealth of knowledge when it comes to the history of knives. Swords, blades, axes, historically, how they were used, the historical periods they come from, why they're significant. And he's got a giant collection of knives that he would base his design on.

Bob DeMarco [00:37:11]:
And to me, all of that is just perfect.

Scott Baldwin [00:37:15]:
Yeah, the dude's amazing. He, he. Lynn is a bundle of energy and again, it's the passion and you know, for me, I'll tell you what it is for me too. He's not embarrassed by. He's unabashed about. He's not worried about what you think about it. I promise you that. And you got to interview him.

Scott Baldwin [00:37:37]:
Well, God doesn't care and you'll hear big. So I don't care what anybody thinks. And they really do. Lynn really don't. I mean he really don't. I don't know there's another knife maker on the planet other than Andrew Dim because he likes. Honestly. But Lynn's just.

Scott Baldwin [00:37:54]:
Lynn, man. I was, I was looking and I think you got this one. But Luke and that. That's the other thing. One of the things that's caused my biggest resurgence with Cold Spiel is not long ago I made a video short on these Securex sheets, right?

Bob DeMarco [00:38:13]:
How they dull the knives and no, they're not.

Scott Baldwin [00:38:16]:
And, and that there is some truth to that. They don't run them completely dull and that. But to me I thought, well, why not fix it? So I made the video the short and not knowing that Luke Who's a good friend of mine from calculating survival was the new face of Cold Steel. So I started noticing Luke from Calculator Survival showing up in Cold Steel. So I reached out to him, and that's how he came on Blade Talk with Scad and Judd, and we hung out at Blade Show. And Luke is passionate about knives. And, you know, because you do this podcast in which. I love the podcast, because you have people on that are passionate about knives.

Scott Baldwin [00:39:10]:
I cannot stand people who get into that. There are people who get into this, and they get into it, and they don't want to do nothing but bash them. Whiny bitch. Use my language. But that. That I want to be around people who love not. You know, Luke's one of those guys, whether you like him or you don't. The guys he.

Scott Baldwin [00:39:29]:
And he has phenomenal hair. Talking to Luke.

Bob DeMarco [00:39:35]:
Huh? I said, who doesn't like Luke? He's. He seems like such a nice guy.

Scott Baldwin [00:39:40]:
He is. He's a great guy. But, you know, here's the thing, too. You go from having a channel and I think he talked about it on. On our thing. You go from having a channel and everybody loves what you do, then as soon as you. You accept a position like that, you know, then people just look at you as a salesman. And I'll say this for Luke, he's far from just a salesman.

Scott Baldwin [00:40:04]:
The guy is knowledgeable. And so to get back to Cold Steel, he has a fire for it. And. And I got to meet Stick, and he has the fire for it. So, man, it's just the passion that goes with Cold Steel. You lit up about them when people either love them or hate them. And that's my favorite way to be in the world. My.

Scott Baldwin [00:40:28]:
My dad is a pastor, and I don't do a lot of the politics, religion, or anything down on channel, but the. The whole, you know, I. I would rather you be hot or cold, not lukewarm. And that. That, to me, that resonates me. And people. You'll find people either love me or hate me. They.

Scott Baldwin [00:40:46]:
You'll never in your life hear somebody say, my scab's all right. And that's the way I want it to be. That's the way it should be. You know, I'm not. I'm out to make enemies. But like Lynn, the guy. We went to dinner, Bob, and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, when we got done with air, I went. I could have cut up a force.

Scott Baldwin [00:41:08]:
I mean, he was just. You could. You're passionate now. He did hit me. Have you ever seen the clip? And I'm, I think you have. With Chell Sonnen and Silva with Von Delight.

Bob DeMarco [00:41:22]:
Is a fight. A, a fight?

Scott Baldwin [00:41:25]:
Well, it's, they were coaching, and Chell's talking to Vondelay and Von delay's cussing him out. Chell's like, come on, Vondelay, come over. And Vondelay gets close and Chill pushes him. And he says, I can't let you get close to me. If you check it out. Because I had one of moments with Lynn Thompson. That's why I'm bringing it up. We were talking about chopping something.

Scott Baldwin [00:41:51]:
I'm sitting like, I'm sitting here. Lynn's sitting here. So I showed him a video and, and some of it, man, is just being beat up in 54 years. The dynamics. And I was getting pointers on chopping from Lynn, you know, So I turned to him and I said, well, part of the problem, Lyn, is when I do like this. Well, when I did, he threw one of those. He come up with like a, a backhand and hit my arm. And he can't let you get close to me.

Scott Baldwin [00:42:20]:
That house I started, I'm not going. I won't do that again. But I mean, it was just one of those. Cool. He's wide open. And I'll just too. And this means a lot to me. Lynn is a good tipper.

Scott Baldwin [00:42:34]:
Lynn Thompson's a good tipper.

Bob DeMarco [00:42:35]:
Oh, good doing that.

Scott Baldwin [00:42:37]:
Yep. And I was going to say, if, you know, you know, and, and if anybody has anything to say, that's what I'd say. Lynn Thompson is a good Tim.

Bob DeMarco [00:42:45]:
That is great.

Scott Baldwin [00:42:47]:
Yep.

Bob DeMarco [00:42:47]:
I'm an Italian and I'm a former waiter, so I, I, I respect a good tipper, but it also means that you haven't forgotten where you come from. And, and I think that that's really important. Some people get too big for their britches, right?

Scott Baldwin [00:43:03]:
Yeah. Well, I don't think that's, you know, I don't know. He just loves knobs, man.

Bob DeMarco [00:43:10]:
Well, so let's talk a little bit about Blade Talk with Scab and Joe. You've had some serious talk about passion for knives. You've had some serious heavy hitters on your show. What's your favorite part about that? First of all, I think Joe's a pretty cool dude. And, and I follow him as well, and I love his collection and his approach. But what have you gotten from Blade Talk? What's, what's your favorite part of that?

Scott Baldwin [00:43:37]:
First of all, without Joe, there's No blade talk that I've got to say that. And Joe from the Steel mindset, I'll give him a shout out because Joe reaches out to all these folks and you know, you know, nobody knows better than you, Bob. You reach out to folks, you wait on replies. You know, some people do say no. You know what I've gotten from it, man, Blessed beyond. I mean you've had a lot of big folks too. And you know, it's not being enamored with anybody but it's actually getting to pick people's brains. Whether it's Ernie Emerson or Lynn Thompson or Curtis Iviedo or on down the line John Stitt from K Bar.

Scott Baldwin [00:44:23]:
And you get to ask questions and you get to, to get to know folks a little bit. Right. More than just the person. I enjoy having Greg Medford on. Right, Greg, intelligent guy. He's controversial guy. But the biggest thing I get from it is just, I don't want to say just knowledge because people are like, oh, it's the knowledge that comes from it. It's about learning about people.

Scott Baldwin [00:44:55]:
It's about visiting with folks before, it's about the show and investing with after. I can tell you we've never, never had anyone, anyone that I was like how will this ever end? We've had that again, credit to Joe and you learn about people's backgrounds. You know, I talked to Ernie Emerson, he has a monster love for ancient weapons. Right. And you nailed it with Lynn. Lynn is a just wealth of knowledge. So man, it's not about being enamored with people, it's about getting to know them on a different level. And it's also about seeing what you can get out of them from an information standpoint.

Scott Baldwin [00:45:49]:
Joe and I, as a general rule and we both been pretty solid on this, we don't it if we invite you on, we're not going to hit you up for the. So I'm not saying that but what I am saying is the, the, the tidbits and some of the, some of the backdrop, the things that you get And I like seeing, I like when somebody starts off a little stiff and I, my favorite part is at the end when it's free flowing and you could have went another hour because we do a lot like you do it. So Fireside Chat, it's enjoying the moment and so to put one word on it, I will say knowledge but that is, dude, that's just such a mega definition under it.

Bob DeMarco [00:46:39]:
It's, it's like sometimes I've gotten the feeling like wow, Bob, you Think you're passionate about knives? Here's a guy who started Emerson knives or cold steel or. Or what have you in a time before it was cool and before it was accepted. Like, that's passion. Holy mackerel. And yeah. Yeah, you can. It's just hope some of that rubs off on you, you know, in a way.

Scott Baldwin [00:47:04]:
Well, and it's. It's. There have been guys I had. I had. Man, I. I do want to mention this real quick. I had Wingman 115 on several years ago, and John and I, we. We did the thing, and he is the designer of the Mount Laguna from work.

Scott Baldwin [00:47:24]:
Tough year, dude. We had. The show went off and it was just. He and I, and we talked for about 30 or 40 minutes. And man taught John Heffron. And talking to that gal, man, it lit an absolute fire under me because he. He was. It's not a.

Scott Baldwin [00:47:45]:
There's passion. There's fake passion. There's faking it until you make it. There's a Persona when you come on, and then there's that real underneath. Deep down, whether it's designing, using, making. And talking to John, he. John Heffron is a huge reason while we just kind of triple old and triple down on putting in work and starting to grow. And really, it was just being excited from talking to him.

Scott Baldwin [00:48:15]:
So while it wasn't part of Blade Talk, it's kind of the same thing. You know, Joe's taking Blade Talk to the next level. But. But that instance talking to John just came to mind. And I've got a picture of John. I'll show y' all this. I need to get a picture of you, Bob.

Bob DeMarco [00:48:35]:
Oh, happily.

Scott Baldwin [00:48:37]:
This is my. My glossy 8 by 10 wall of phone from knife. I love. Dude. I've got all kind. I. I love that. And it shows the camaraderie that we.

Scott Baldwin [00:48:50]:
That we help. But just the dude just emanate. He's just. He's just like us, man. And that's.

Bob DeMarco [00:48:59]:
Let me ask you this with. With all the passion you have for knives. Obviously, you've got a large collection. You've been into it a long time. You've met a lot of very interesting people. And you also seem like a handy guy. Do you ever think of making knives yourself?

Scott Baldwin [00:49:15]:
No. No. And I'm glad you asked that. Not make. I. I would like to. Okay, let me back up part of me. Yes.

Scott Baldwin [00:49:26]:
To learn how to have that knowledge, to have a base knowledge of it. But, Bob, I love doing what I'm doing, man. I love the demonstrations or reviews I love knife tube. I just. I don't want to get into that because I know me and I know my attention and I know my drive, and I wouldn't be able to enjoy or appreciate other people's stuff. Yeah. So I love what we do. I love what you do.

Scott Baldwin [00:49:59]:
I've thought about. People ask all the time what I design, Mike, and I'm like, no, no, I'll collab. I've got several collabs. I love doing that. And basically that's people going, scab. What do you like? Like Jed Hornby. And I'll tell them, Jed will make me a knife. You know that dude can make a knife I love.

Bob DeMarco [00:50:19]:
I have one of his knives. I have a necromance. I think he only made like four of them or something. And I can't believe I. I scored one of them. It. It is one of the finest knives in my collection. And he's such a cool guy, too.

Scott Baldwin [00:50:33]:
Yeah. That guy. I can't. I don't know. I can't remember who it was. I honestly can't. But they got a knife from Chicken, and it was one of mine. It was one of my far boy camps.

Scott Baldwin [00:50:46]:
When I say one of mine, I literally just. Jed asked me like eight questions. I answered them. He made the knives. You read it real quick. But somebody actually bought one who got it. And they hit me up on video chat and they were all like, I could tell they love the knife, right? They love the knife. And it's the choir boys outdoors camp night or for short.

Scott Baldwin [00:51:20]:
We didn't really think too well. That marketing probably is not great on that, but this look on his face, and I'm like, dude, what. I mean, do you know? He said, I love the knife. I said, what's wrong? He said, scam. I paid $400 in this. And he, He. Jed had literally made the knife, took the time, did the whole deal. I think did him a custom sheet and wrapped it all in newspaper with rubber bands and sent it to him.

Scott Baldwin [00:51:52]:
He said. I said, dude, that's Jed. He's in Hornby, Tennessee, out in the middle of nowhere. You're not getting a fancy box. You're not. You are getting a knife. But he is uber talented, man. Hoover cat.

Bob DeMarco [00:52:08]:
Yeah, like crazy, crazy talented. I think probably the most comfortable knife in hand that I have. Is that necromance also? It's just a totally. It's like right up my alley. I'm not. I'm not going out and getting in fights, but it is the. The quintessential fighting Knife. And I feel like probably your knife is quintessential camp knife.

Bob DeMarco [00:52:29]:
And, and whatever he's doing, he's making like the top, top version of it.

Scott Baldwin [00:52:35]:
It's the quintessential hornbeat. It really is. I. I call it the camp. I mean, I couldn't think of what else to call it, but Jed just. And I'll tell you what I love about it. He did this and he did a sheep trick. The.

Scott Baldwin [00:52:51]:
The ergos on that handle. His handles, man, are insane. He did this one. He did the scabber stabber, which is basically. It looks like a gladius, but it's a dagger. Did the full leather. But his handles, his craftsman, Jed Hornbeek is a guy I will shout from the mountaintops because if you buy a knife from Jed, you will get your knife and that. He's a man of great integrity, great intake.

Bob DeMarco [00:53:27]:
So I'm. I'm afraid to ask this just in light of kind of our conversation earlier, but besides Jed and, and other like, who. And I know you love work tough. Who are some of your other makers that you're really into right now, Brother.

Scott Baldwin [00:53:46]:
I just did a review on a trc. I haven't done a lot of their stuff, but dude, I'm digging them. William Collins is just my guy. I love everything he does. This little junior field board, that was it. This is my little kayaking knife.

Bob DeMarco [00:54:04]:
Oh yeah, with the. That's a, that's a really interesting shaped blade.

Scott Baldwin [00:54:09]:
Well, here's, here's the thing with William and I know we're running long, but he, he blends grinds like this is a scandi and a high saber. The beauty of Williams knives is when you go to sharpen this, he's already done the work for you. The bevel's the same, although the grind's different. So all you do is you find the angle and you can sharpen the scandi and you can sharpen the saber at the same time all at once. And it is not complicated.

Bob DeMarco [00:54:45]:
He.

Scott Baldwin [00:54:45]:
I'm really into his stuff. Tkl, of course. Big fan. Huge Fisher blades fan. I'm sitting here looking at half breed blades. Have you got any stuff?

Bob DeMarco [00:54:58]:
I do not have any half breed blades. Nope. I love the way their combat knives look. They look so good.

Scott Baldwin [00:55:05]:
Well, when I get them back, I'll send them your way. Love to check out their takes. Dude, I'll put a couple back here. This is a Lon Humphrey.

Bob DeMarco [00:55:21]:
Oh, that's the gunfighter Bowie.

Scott Baldwin [00:55:23]:
Right, Lee, that's beautiful. Now Junior just sent me this One to check out. And Junior is actually a real person. He's not somebody I make up to. What? No, dude, I just met Junior a couple weeks ago at Blackie Thomas's camp out for the first time. I never even talked to the man on the phone, and he sent me thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of knives to review. Send the bank. But this is one.

Scott Baldwin [00:55:58]:
Bob, do you recognize that one?

Bob DeMarco [00:56:01]:
Oh, is that. Is that. What's his name? Yeah, I do.

Scott Baldwin [00:56:08]:
Sorry.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:12]:
Dark. Dark. Timber.

Scott Baldwin [00:56:14]:
That's him. This is the Honey Badger. This is one of his production runs. Oh, this is a great man.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:22]:
I would love to have a Bowie by that guy. Oh, my God.

Scott Baldwin [00:56:26]:
He. He has Peter on. Peter Cole with Scavenge O and Bro. He awesome guy, but scoring something from him.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:40]:
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Scott Baldwin [00:56:42]:
Impossible, man, but great guy. He's one of those guys who stays within himself, you know, not arrogant, hyper, but not arrogant. Love him. I. I could go on and on, man. I. I'm into a lot of stuff. Right.

Scott Baldwin [00:56:58]:
Oh, here's one last one I did want to show y'. All. I met Dave Canterbury.

Bob DeMarco [00:57:04]:
Oh, I love. He's one of the guys whose videos I love to watch.

Scott Baldwin [00:57:08]:
I. I met Dave. I actually did an interview with Dave a couple weeks ago at Rewild Outdoors Camp out, and I bought this. This is a kept part. This is the PKS Pathfinder Knife Series or Pathfinder Knife Shop kept part 1095 steel. The curling maple. Now he gets his sheaths from. I think it's Badger Claw, which I love them, but, man, Dave was a good guy, really good guy to talk to.

Scott Baldwin [00:57:46]:
But I'll say this real quick for everybody. You know, a lot of times people want to buy American, but they're super expensive. I paid for the knife and the sheath. I think a buck 56.

Bob DeMarco [00:58:00]:
No way.

Scott Baldwin [00:58:01]:
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And you can actually, if you go like the Self Reliance outfitters, I believe that's their. They. They don't have anything over like a buck 70. And, and typically when you get like a buck 50 to a buck 70, they include the sheath. The. The knives, I think, are like a buck 25 or 130 without the sheath.

Scott Baldwin [00:58:28]:
But I, I, he two things real quick. Lifetime warranty. Lifetime warranty. And he warranties it against Batani. He's one of the few people on the plumb that'll do that.

Bob DeMarco [00:58:42]:
Oh, that's cool. And. And this is coming from a guy, obviously, who knows. He's Dave Canterbury has been around the block more than once when it comes to wilderness. Wilderness Adventures and stuff. So if you can, if you can score a handmade USA night that's endorsed by someone like that, it just goes to show that it's, you know, it's possible.

Scott Baldwin [00:59:04]:
Yeah, oh, absolutely. And, and I've, I've carried their stuff every day and that's something I'm working on. It's a little more long form type review and I've Loved it, man. Love it. Love what they're doing.

Bob DeMarco [00:59:16]:
All right, last up before I let you go, Scab. I, I, I feel like I'd be remiss if I didn't ask this, and I'm sure people want to know, what do you carry on a daily basis?

Scott Baldwin [00:59:25]:
Really? Oh, okay. So I actually this time came prepared. I always have some kind of pocket fixed blade. Now this one's on long from the outdoor analyst. But this is a very good knife company. It's in that pops pro cut. But I'm showing you this, this is something, a knife this size daily. I just got this not long ago.

Scott Baldwin [00:59:54]:
This is my default 7 Talos. This is one I actually carry daily. It's in Magnacut. Les George is the maker. And then I carry a cold steel and I'm just using this one, but so I carry a cold steel. I carry my Defiant 7. Typically I'll have an Emerson and of course it's up there on the table, but a bulldog. The bulldog, yeah.

Scott Baldwin [01:00:25]:
I retired my Vindicator. Typically, Bob, I carry three pocket knives and a pocket fixed blade. That's what I carry.

Bob DeMarco [01:00:36]:
Okay. Actually one last thing. Sell the concept of a pocket fixed blade to people who think they can't carry a fixed blade every day.

Scott Baldwin [01:00:44]:
Okay. So the whole point behind the pocket fixed blade. And we'll use this one from Tekal. This is the exact way I carry it. And you'll notice there's nothing on it to hang me up. You can put a lanyard on it to make it easier. But a pocket fixed blade, guys, is a pocket knife or it's a fixed blade literally close to the size of a pocket knife. The reason that I do that and that that Defiant seven Talos is, is pretty average size.

Scott Baldwin [01:01:19]:
The reason that I do that and I encourage people to do that is this. You get the stick strength of a fixed blade with the size of a pocket knife. So if you are in an environment where you need a staller knife but you don't want to scare old lady and kids, this, if you work at a company corporate that, that are big on, on weapons and things like that, this is easy to carry slim. So for me, a pocket. But for me, a pocket. Fixed blade is the strength of a fixed blade. The size of a pocket knife. It's really, truly, honestly, there are days where that's all I.

Scott Baldwin [01:01:58]:
I have on. If we're kayaking. It's. It's this junior field war that I showed you. I carry that. That a lot because it's an aebhl. I encourage everybody to carry one. The.

Scott Baldwin [01:02:11]:
The strength, the size. That for me. That for me is. Is the two biggest selling points right there. And I'm a huge proponent of it.

Bob DeMarco [01:02:23]:
Outstanding. Me too. I think we all need to carry fixed blades.

Scott Baldwin [01:02:27]:
Absolutely.

Bob DeMarco [01:02:28]:
Scott, thank you so much for coming back on the Knife Junkie podcast. It's been a pleasure, sir. I could talk all night about knives.

Scott Baldwin [01:02:35]:
You for having me. I'm really honored. I really tell you how much I appreciate that.

Bob DeMarco [01:02:40]:
The honor is mine. The honor is mine. And we will continue this conversation for another 10 minutes or so for the patrons. So definitely check that out. And of course, I'll be seeing you at doing the rounds at Blade show. Absolutely, Scott. Thank you, man.

Scott Baldwin [01:02:56]:
Yeah, man. Appreciate you.

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