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Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast, your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your host, Bob the Knife Junkie DeMarco.

Bob DeMarco [00:00:16]:
Welcome to the knife junkie podcast. I'm Bob DeMarco. On this edition of the show, I'm speaking with custom knife maker, Bobby Raines the second. I learned of Bobby and his work through Rolando Escotada, who's been recently showing off his Rainmaker Bowie, a purebred fighter and Bobby's current flagship model. The Rainmaker is a striking combination of long, slender Bowie blade, dog bone handle, and a dramatic s curve. But from what Rolando says, it's the way the knife moves which makes it an exceptional Bowie. Though Bobby's work seems to draw heavily on a variety of traditional American knife patterns, It's his Bowie knives that really seem to be at the center of this focus and certainly mine. We'll meet Bobby and find out what drives him to make such beautiful knives.

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Bob DeMarco [00:01:59]:
Bobby Raines, welcome to the show, sir.

Bobby Raines II [00:02:01]:
Yeah. Thank you for having me.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:03]:
It is a pleasure. It's a pleasure. We were just talking before, we started rolling. You live in Ohio. I come from Ohio, and I frequently mention it here because it seems to be a really great knife making state. Yes.

Bobby Raines II [00:02:16]:
It's the heart of it all, I reckon.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:19]:
Indeed. Oh, you must work for,

Bobby Raines II [00:02:20]:
the Chamber of Commerce. Not club.

Bob DeMarco [00:02:25]:
Alright. So I mentioned upfront your your your rainmaker and your other bowies, and we'll talk about those. But first, I I just kinda wanna find out how you got into knife making. And, is this something that you've always been into, knives and such?

Bobby Raines II [00:02:40]:
Yeah. I, really don't remember a time when I wasn't into knives. I remember as a, you know, a really little kid running around with four to six or seven knives in my pockets. And I guess as far as knife making, I watched a movie one time when I was probably 10 or 11 called, The Hunted with Tommy Lee Jones. I don't know if you've seen that or not.

Bob DeMarco [00:03:06]:
Oh, yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:03:07]:
But remember that scene where they're making their knives and all that? And I thought, man, I gotta make a knife now. You know? So I'd grab little bits of, you know, steel, whatever, and I'd hammer on it. You know? No forge. No nothing. But, I made my first knife like object when I was probably 12, and I made several of those. They weren't very good for a long time. But, yeah, I probably I've been pretty serious about it for probably the last five or six years and even more so a little over the last year, year and a half.

Bob DeMarco [00:03:43]:
Well, so how did you go from making the knife life the knife like objects, to making legitimate I mean, they're beautiful. We'll we'll talk about your process and stuff. But, how did you make the transition from kinda dabbling and maybe not knowing exactly what you're doing to getting more serious about the craft?

Bobby Raines II [00:04:04]:
Just, you know, I've I've always just been making things, you know, and trying to make the next one a little better, I guess. And, yeah, just, you know, making making one then making another and just improving along the way.

Bob DeMarco [00:04:23]:
So then what's your process? How are you making these?

Bobby Raines II [00:04:26]:
I do all my, all my blades are forged. I don't do any stock removal anymore. That's how I started out, but but, all my pieces are hand forged now from, you know, bar stock. And I just, anymore, I try and make them as specific to the customer as possible. You know, I try and fit it to the you know, as you know, I'm heavily inspired by Bill Bagwell, and I try to fit it to their stature and their style as well as they can. You know?

Bob DeMarco [00:04:56]:
So what is it about Bill Bagwell that inspires you?

Bobby Raines II [00:05:01]:
It just it comes to fighting buoys. He's just he was just the king. You know? He, he really worked out what it took to make a good fighting buoy knife, and I think I don't think anyone's quite done it like he's done it.

Bob DeMarco [00:05:16]:
Well, it's I was on your, Instagram page and I was just poking around and you mentioned Bill Bagwell and I saw, you made an an homage, beautiful, homage knife with the with the sort of devil horn guard and and, and you mentioned James Keating. Yes. So James Keating, who is he and, and what did what did he mean to you?

Bobby Raines II [00:05:42]:
He's gotta gotta be up in his eighties now. I think he's been a martial artist for, I think he said, over sixty years. And he really probably between him and Bill Bagwell are probably those two gentlemen are to thank for even having a really combative system currently here in America. They, they really read put a lot of work into rediscovering a lot of things and, you know, putting in putting their own spin on it as well.

Bob DeMarco [00:06:15]:
Yeah. One thing I think is I mean, James Keating, I I think he's cool. I've I've seen some of the videos, that he's made, and, I he's a gnarly looking dude. He seems like a really super nice guy.

Bobby Raines II [00:06:26]:
Yeah. You

Bob DeMarco [00:06:27]:
know? The kinda guy exactly the kinda guy you don't wanna get in a night fight with.

Bobby Raines II [00:06:31]:
A nice guy a nice guy that would mess you up in a hurry.

Bob DeMarco [00:06:35]:
And he always wears these big giant leather cuffs to protect his forearms and wrist. Like he's ready for action. I I love that. Yes. I I I keep seeing you glance down at your table. Show us an example of, of some of your work here. And maybe since we're talking about bowies, you could you could show us one of those.

Bobby Raines II [00:06:53]:
Yeah. This is pretty hot off of the press right here. This is my I don't know if you can see it. Yeah. I can see it. There we go. This is, kind of an homage to Bill Bagwell, if you will. My take on his, Hell's Bell fighting buoy.

Bob DeMarco [00:07:11]:
Oh, yeah. That is And

Bobby Raines II [00:07:12]:
this is this is in cable Damascus. I don't know how much of the pattern you can see. Put it a little bit

Bob DeMarco [00:07:19]:
to the camera. We can see a little bit, but let's see that. Oh, yeah. That is beautiful. Yes. And as

Bobby Raines II [00:07:26]:
I said, this is cable Damascus.

Bob DeMarco [00:07:28]:
I'm looking at that Spanish knot, and it's, situated perfectly so you get that prying action.

Bobby Raines II [00:07:35]:
Yes. Yes. I, yeah, Rolando's got a knife with a very similar guard.

Bob DeMarco [00:07:43]:
Yeah. That's that's really cool. That's so the the guard on this one, and I've seen this I don't know if it's, just on the Hills Bells. I know he's got a number of knives like the Fortress and others that are very similar, but the Yes. The guard on this particular knife, and I've seen this, on Bill Bagwell's, the front quillion, is higher up and it it has a a a different kinda shape to the guard.

Bobby Raines II [00:08:09]:
Yes. Little more aggressive. You can you have a knife fall in here, and you can really either if it doesn't fall into the notch, it falls down into the guard here, and you can really lock it up and twist it out of their hand. Wow. So I'm told I've not been in many knife fights. You know?

Bob DeMarco [00:08:30]:
Yeah. So, have you have you experienced, a Bagwell in person?

Bobby Raines II [00:08:36]:
Not yet, unfortunately. No. I'm planning on being at Blade Show this year. It'd be my first time there, so I'm I'm hoping I'll be able to feel one down there, maybe.

Bob DeMarco [00:08:47]:
Oh, that's funny because last year at at Blade Show, I I got to pick up a, a Bagwell custom, And, you know, I walked up to the people who were selling it and I said, you know, I'm not buying this. There's no way I can afford this, but can I just please pick it up? And I was like, sure. Go ahead. And, oh, man. Yeah. It it's something. They didn't like how I was swinging it around. No.

Bob DeMarco [00:09:09]:
I'm just kidding. But, so not so tell me why this because there are so many different Bowie shapes. You've got the western style Bowie with the big, you know, big belly and a wide and a very curved sweeping, wedge. You've got the Musso Bowie that's got a long, broad blade that curves. What is it in particular about this that you like?

Bobby Raines II [00:09:37]:
Well, if you look at historical buoy dives, there a lot more of them were you didn't have the super I mean, unless you get up into the civil war era, you a lot of them were a little bit narrower blade, little bit finer point, much more of the of the dueling ideology using the and, and as I said, you know, this is kinda how Bill Bagwell did it, and he really knew his stuff. This is, and they're just when you handle them, they just move, man. Like, especially this when they hit the snap cut, you can just you can it just hits like a ton of bricks. And, yeah, I don't just the aesthetic of it, I just think it's very beautiful.

Bob DeMarco [00:10:23]:
Yeah. I do too. And in your example there with the stag handle, it before you put it down, I wanna see that stag handle. It's Oh, yeah. Really beautiful and lends itself to that kind of snap cut just with the shape of it.

Bobby Raines II [00:10:35]:
Yes. I'm trying to get the light here.

Bob DeMarco [00:10:37]:
Oh, that is There we go. That is a a perfect piece of stag for that purpose, the way it curves. Yes. And it also has that upward, portion in the back so it can rebound off of your palm.

Bobby Raines II [00:10:50]:
Yeah. It really it's it's just like a trigger almost down here on the pinky. When when you snap cut, it really shoots out there. Also, the back cut, when you and when you back cut, it really helps with the return. You can really get back onto onto the point faster.

Bob DeMarco [00:11:07]:
So and No. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Bobby Raines II [00:11:09]:
You'll notice with the stag handle, it doesn't have the indexing pins, like, on the wooden handles with with the kinda natural ridges and depressions and everything and just the curvature of the handle. With the stag, you really you know where you're at when you grab it.

Bob DeMarco [00:11:28]:
Do you have a knife there with the with the indexing pins that you could, show us?

Bobby Raines II [00:11:33]:
Yeah. I've got got an old this is, well, this is an older kinda beater buoy that I that I made. It's got the coffin handle, and you can see these pins. And they really they, they're for indexing, and you you know where you're know where you're at on the handle.

Bob DeMarco [00:11:52]:
Yeah. I see that. Oh, that's beautiful. What kind of wood is that?

Bobby Raines II [00:11:55]:
This is, Osage. Oh, okay. Hedge apples, it's commonly called. What do they call it? Hedge apple.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:03]:
Hedge apple. I have an Osage orange club. Oh. A friend of mine gave me and and I love that thing. So This is your swedge I'm sorry. I keep interrupting you. You were gonna say about the, about the Osage orange something?

Bobby Raines II [00:12:18]:
No. Just so you can say it's one of the hardest woods in North America. Wow. And this is actually what Rolando's knife handle is made out of, but I dyed his, so it's a different color.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:28]:
Okay. So you tend to sharpen your swedges, right, or your falset? Okay.

Bobby Raines II [00:12:34]:
Yes. That's where where a lot a lot of the action is on the Bowie knife in the back cut and well, and it just gives it such a fine point.

Bob DeMarco [00:12:43]:
So okay. It seems like you have some experience using them. Of course, not in a dual, but, I've seen some of the videos you have. Tell me a little bit about how you, you train with these and how that helps you design, helps you make the knives.

Bobby Raines II [00:13:01]:
Yeah. Just, as I said, when I first got into Bowie knives, you don't, you don't go very far that down that path without coming to the names, you know, Bill Bagwell and James Keating. And I, I bought James Keating's six part video series on American blade concepts, which deals primarily with the buoy knife. And, that's where a lot of the, buoy combative systems comes from is from his work. And as far as the, you know, using them and everything, you just, as soon as you you move with them, you just well, that doesn't work quite right or for that, or you you need a little some something's gotta be different, you know, and you just I just tweaked it and, you know, trial and error, basically, and just, come up with something that works.

Bob DeMarco [00:14:00]:
So when you're forging, what's your what's your process there? I mean, in terms of, you know, if something's not working with the knife, how how are you how are you tweaking it in the making process? And tell us how you're making these, from soup to nuts. Yeah. Just, I usually have a, you know, a

Bobby Raines II [00:14:23]:
picture of my mind where I'm going from the start. Some some guys will draw out, you know, exact things, what they're doing. I don't I never really did that, but I'll have a I'll see it in my mind's eye. And, yeah, I'll just figure out, you know, what kind of blade widths and the lengths and everything, and I'll I'll get the material that I need. And I'll draw it out and and, you know, draw it out the point and then the distal taper. And you forge out the bevels, and you just, sculpt it into a knife.

Bob DeMarco [00:15:00]:
So you're forging the bevels. I know I've I've seen I've watched Forged in Fire. You know, with the you know, a lot of times, you'll see someone just kind of, you know, forge out the general shape, and then and then everything else is on the grinder. Yeah. How do you feel about that?

Bobby Raines II [00:15:18]:
Well, I mean, that's alright, I guess. It's not you're not really forging a blade, though. You really to get a knife that moves well, forging is your best bet. You know, if you got the the distal taper, you know, it's thicker here than it is here, and the the tang tapers as well. And you just really get a knife that, you know, it moves like a feather in your hand, but it hits like a top it hits like a sledgehammer. And I don't think you can quite do that with stock removal knives.

Bob DeMarco [00:15:54]:
Okay. So so forging is not a simple process. There's a lot to it. How did you learn?

Bobby Raines II [00:16:04]:
YouTube, mostly. I watched a I watched a lot of, Jason Knight stuff. He he he has a lot of very helpful stuff, you know, instructional videos. And, you know, I watched a lot of guys on YouTube just over the years, and, I bought a couple of Jason Knight's online courses as well. And, like I said, I just did it.

Bob DeMarco [00:16:32]:
Yeah. It's it's funny how many people who are making, you know, really fine, fine knives have told me that.

Bobby Raines II [00:16:41]:
Yeah.

Bob DeMarco [00:16:42]:
You know, it's the old YouTube university thing. It's amazing. It is it is I mean, we really, really benefit this day and age. Now I'm I'm I'm an old fart. I'm I'm, you know, probably more than twice your age just judging by your the hunted comment. You saw that when you were 10 or 11. I was like, oh, okay. But, you know, I I tend to, bemoan, the Internet a lot.

Bob DeMarco [00:17:09]:
Oh my gosh. And it's because it's guilt. I spend a lot of time, like everybody else, engaging with content on my phone. Yes. Much of that is knife stuff, but it's amazing, you know, if you if you do it right, you can actually get something, you know, invaluable out of it. Because, where you live in Ohio, you might not have someone to learn from for miles No.

Bobby Raines II [00:17:34]:
Around. Mhmm. Yeah. There are a lot of downsides certainly to, you know, the Internet and social media, but there are a lot of good things about it too.

Bob DeMarco [00:17:44]:
I agree. We're my daughter and I were looking at your, old, Instagram, your your Robert the Terrible Instagram, and she was liking all your memes. She's a Facebook girl, and she's like,

Bobby Raines II [00:17:57]:
yes. Who is this guy?

Bob DeMarco [00:18:00]:
But, yeah. That's another great way, you know, find like minded like minded people.

Bobby Raines II [00:18:06]:
Oh, yeah.

Bob DeMarco [00:18:07]:
You

Bobby Raines II [00:18:07]:
have people you'd never, you great friends with people you would have never met otherwise. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco [00:18:13]:
So some of the videos and some of the pictures on on your Instagram kinda show a little bit of where you are. Give us an idea of oh, because, and I'll just say this, you have some really cool power lifting, videos. And you're and you're, like, you're power lifting, not your plates taken out of a gym, but it looks like transmissions or, I don't know, flywheels or what have you. And I

Bobby Raines II [00:18:36]:
tractor weights and brake drums and yeah. Just, well, I started working out. It was in late twenty nineteen, I think. And, of course, you know, here, again, in rural Ohio, I'd have to to go to an actual gym. You're looking at, you know, twenty, thirty minutes one way just to get there, and I thought, well, I can have my workout done by then. But, of course, you know, then 2020 came around and all the gyms were closed. So by the time those all opened up again, I was really in my I was already in my groove with my stuff out here. And, you know, it's, I feel like I'm in Rocky four training to training to fight the big Russian guy.

Bobby Raines II [00:19:18]:
You know?

Bob DeMarco [00:19:19]:
Yeah. It's cool. I you know, seeing you bench press, you know, I don't know. It looks like an axle or something.

Bobby Raines II [00:19:25]:
I think

Bob DeMarco [00:19:26]:
that's pretty cool. And it gave me a sort of notion of what your shop, is like. Maybe. I don't know. What's your shop like?

Bobby Raines II [00:19:34]:
Well, it's, very small and very messy. But, yeah, just got my forge set up in the middle and got my bench grinder that my dad and I made and, got my hydraulic forge press that my dad and I made. Oh, cool. And we're just getting it done.

Bob DeMarco [00:19:57]:
So does this run-in the family? This, making, this this, ability to make stuff?

Bobby Raines II [00:20:03]:
I mean, sounds like it does. Yes. Yeah. My dad's he'll tell you he's not as artistic as I am, but he's a very good fabricator. You know, he makes, you know, implements for the tractor and, you know, all kinds of things, and he's, you know, a welder and does he he does good work too. Cool. Alright. So let's see some

Bob DeMarco [00:20:24]:
of these knives you got in front of you and and to knot them.

Bobby Raines II [00:20:30]:
I see now. This is one of my favorites. This is a buoy knife I made. Oh. When my when my half all died, I got several of his old tools, And this blade was actually an old broken shingle bar, and the large wooden spacer was from his old busted sledgehammer handle.

Bob DeMarco [00:20:54]:
Oh my god.

Bobby Raines II [00:20:54]:
So I tell people this is, this is my knife from Papol, some assembly required.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:01]:
That's beautiful. I mean, not only to look at, but the meaning of it is so

Bobby Raines II [00:21:06]:
Yes. And this knife really feels good as well. There's, some things I would do different if I made it again, but, yeah, I really like this knife. I need to rework the sheath. It kinda scuffs up the blade, and and that offends me.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:21]:
You can always polish that. I you have the means.

Bobby Raines II [00:21:25]:
We we have the technology.

Bob DeMarco [00:21:27]:
Yeah. Does that have a sharpened swedge as well?

Bobby Raines II [00:21:32]:
Yes. It's, I would call it zero ground. It's not, not razor razor sharp. Now this one, the one I showed you, this is razor sharp on the switch. In fact, I don't know if I can get this here. Yes. You see you see that? Yeah. This this swedge is this swedge is razor sharp.

Bobby Raines II [00:21:58]:
But, it's hard to get them that sharp with any consistency, but they really don't need to be for the for the back cut actions. It'll really you can have one that really doesn't feel all that sharp, but it'll it'll just rip and tear like nobody's business.

Bob DeMarco [00:22:17]:
Yeah. I've, I did a video a few years back where I was showing that off just on cardboard boxes, showing that

Bobby Raines II [00:22:24]:
I've seen that.

Bob DeMarco [00:22:24]:
Oh, okay. Cool.

Bobby Raines II [00:22:26]:
And

Bob DeMarco [00:22:26]:
and a lot of the blades are are that I'm showing it with are not even zero ground. Like, my cold Yeah. Are all zero ground. I love those. Mhmm. They have, you know, flat flat swedges, and it still does the trick. As a matter of fact, I've done it recently with a a totally flat back, Tomko. I mean, you can you can do the back cut is is amazing.

Bobby Raines II [00:22:50]:
Well, it's you're striking with the leading point. You see how, you know, you strike like this and see how the point is off of my arm? You turn it over and you're hitting with the point. All of that force is concentrated into that needle point. That's one of the things that sets the sets the buoy apart. You notice with this, toothpick here that I made, it doesn't matter which which way you strike. You're only striking with a trailing point.

Bob DeMarco [00:23:23]:
Right.

Bobby Raines II [00:23:23]:
You're you're not gonna get that devastating that you will with the

Bob DeMarco [00:23:29]:
Oh, I I I don't want you to put that down. That is beautiful. This isn't Arkansas, you pick. But hang on. Before we talk about this, something I was gonna say before is that it always seemed like it must be difficult to get a razor's edge on a swedge because it's such a shallow,

Bobby Raines II [00:23:43]:
surface. It's such a, obtuse angle. Yeah. But, you know, with this, it's got a little bit more meat behind the tip than I don't know if you can see here, but you can see how much thicker this is behind the tip. Yeah. And that helps with getting it getting that razor edge on that. And I, it it goes from flat ground to convex grind behind the tip and really enforces the tip for back cutting actions and that kind of thing.

Bob DeMarco [00:24:17]:
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, because the convex grind is so much more robust, I guess.

Bobby Raines II [00:24:23]:
Yes. There's a lot more material backing up the edge.

Bob DeMarco [00:24:27]:
Okay. So let's see this toothpick. Now this is another classic American knife with the dagger, basically, but Yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:24:33]:
There's the buoy toothpick, you know, the classic combo. I made this several years ago out of a well, it's out of a farrier's rasp. I don't know if you can see. Yeah. I, I wanna revisit this eventually. They're they're not quite the knife that the buoy is, but there's a lot of cool things about these as well. Let me see, got stacked leather and some antler and more stacked leather than this is, complete through tiny pinned at the back. Nice.

Bob DeMarco [00:25:03]:
So this is a big part of your style, this, multi, material handles.

Bobby Raines II [00:25:10]:
Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you're working with natural materials like antler. You know, it's hard to find one that's just right for everything. So when when you combine materials, you can get the shape you're after a lot easier, and you have a lot more, leeway with what you do.

Bob DeMarco [00:25:33]:
You mean, like, it's hard to find a piece of stag that's a perfect handle from front to back?

Bobby Raines II [00:25:40]:
Yes. Yes. Mhmm.

Bob DeMarco [00:25:43]:
Yeah. That though, the the Bagwell style that you were showing looks like it's perfect soup to nuts.

Bobby Raines II [00:25:50]:
Yes. I was, I was very selective in this, in this antler. It really really turned out well. Yeah.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:01]:
Well, so you make all your own sheets? You do leather

Bobby Raines II [00:26:05]:
work and such? Yes. Yeah. For the big knives, I I do these you saw it on Rolando's knife, these, sash style sheaths with the belt stud, and they just, it's the only way to carry a big knife. They just fit inside of the belt or inside of the waistband. That's how men carried knives when, you know, you weren't fully dressed without your Bowie knife.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:34]:
Yeah. And you don't want it necessarily dangling by your side. Yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:26:38]:
No. Hitting your knee when you're running and all kinds of fights.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:43]:
Yeah. It's less secure. It also looks less cool and we know that that's

Bobby Raines II [00:26:47]:
a factor.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:47]:
But, actually, it's

Bobby Raines II [00:26:48]:
Oh, absolutely.

Bob DeMarco [00:26:49]:
It's harder to draw too when it's down there. I've I've done, sash. I I like that you call it a sash sheet. I never knew what to call that, but with the stud, I always call it under the belt sheath, but I like that sash style. If it's on the right side and and you're right handed, you can draw it reverse grip, which is probably rarely used with a Bowie anyway, but you can do that cavalry, Yes. Grip.

Bobby Raines II [00:27:16]:
I carry it that way a lot. I carry it kind of behind my back, and I'll just, I just kinda grab it like this and turn it over. Alright.

Bob DeMarco [00:27:29]:
So does your lifestyle allow you to carry bowies on a daily basis? Pretty often, actually.

Bobby Raines II [00:27:36]:
I, of course, I carry them around home and in the shop, but I, I ride horses a lot as well, and I carry them when I ride horses.

Bob DeMarco [00:27:44]:
Oh, nice. What do you what do you do with horses?

Bobby Raines II [00:27:47]:
Yeah. My dad and I trail ride a lot, and he raises Foundation Appaloosas. So Oh, wow. We're really big big into that.

Bob DeMarco [00:27:55]:
You ever, well, I'll I'll ask you I have a question I'm gonna ask you, in the Patreon section. Probably not Okay. Not appropriate for this, part, but, can you show some more knives? Something I'm interested in. I don't know if you have them here. I saw some smaller knives that you were, that you made for, like, a charity auction or something, but you had a number of them and

Bobby Raines II [00:28:21]:
I was

Bob DeMarco [00:28:22]:
yeah. What what are the

Bobby Raines II [00:28:23]:
In fact,

Bob DeMarco [00:28:25]:
if you give me just

Bobby Raines II [00:28:26]:
a second, I can go grab one. Sure. I forgot I forgot to bring it out. I'll be right back.

Bob DeMarco [00:28:31]:
Okay. Mhmm. So, this is just kind of illustrating that I'm not just a a one track mind here. I'm I'm not just a a single-minded person. It's not just about the bowies. These are some really cool I guess they're smaller utility, maybe more, realistic, carry knives or knives you might be using out in the field, when a fighting bowie is not appropriate.

Bobby Raines II [00:28:59]:
My apologies. I should have had that out beforehand. No problem. But, this is a Damascus cutting knife that I made.

Bob DeMarco [00:29:09]:
Oh, that's beautiful. That handle is gorgeous too, man.

Bobby Raines II [00:29:13]:
Yes. And this this what you mentioned with the, wood and antler mixed, and this is actually for the, the trail ride that my dad and I go on. They have a, an auction that goes goes towards the ride, and it's the, Sheltowie Trail Ride. And Sheltowie is the Indian name for Daniel Boone, which means big turtle. And the symbol for this ride is a turtle, and I actually have that carved into the handle here. Cool. I don't know if you can see that. Yes.

Bobby Raines II [00:29:50]:
Yes. I See the turtle.

Bob DeMarco [00:29:52]:
It's right at the crown of the of the antler if you're just listening. Man,

Bobby Raines II [00:29:56]:
it does. So I carved it in there

Bob DeMarco [00:30:00]:
with a Dremel tool. That also looks like it has a sharpened blade.

Bobby Raines II [00:30:05]:
It's, it's not as sharp as on the Bowie knives, but it's pretty close.

Bob DeMarco [00:30:08]:
Okay. Alright.

Bobby Raines II [00:30:09]:
Yeah. I made a lot of, these type hunting knives. Of course, you know, there's a really big deer hunting culture here in Ohio, at least in Southern Ohio, and that was my main thing for a long time. But I, you know, I always wanted to break into the fighting buoy knife realm. And thanks to thanks to Rwanda as, he did his video on that knife, and I've kinda gotten into that now. Oh, man.

Bob DeMarco [00:30:39]:
Well, so Damascus, was what that blade was made of. I know the the, the one you made for Rolando is Damascus, and you had Yes. You had another one up here. Tell us about how you broke into that. Because I I I presume when you start, you start with monosteel, you know, the bar stock or something.

Bobby Raines II [00:31:00]:
Yes.

Bob DeMarco [00:31:01]:
But tell me about the process. What do you like about it, besides the result?

Bobby Raines II [00:31:07]:
Yes. It's a kind of a rite of passage, I think, for a, bladesmith to get into Damascus blades that, you know, for those who don't know, it's you take alternating steels, and one of this one of the steels has to have a higher level of nickel content. And you forge weld them together and then, you know, refold it or however many layers you want. And when you etch it etch the steel with the nickel, that it stays bright, and the high carbon the, you know, other high carbon steel turns black and gives you this pattern. And, there are a lot of guys that are way better at it than I am at this point, but I'm getting there.

Bob DeMarco [00:31:56]:
Well, show us some.

Bobby Raines II [00:31:58]:
Yes. I don't have this is actually the, first Damascus blade that I've made for myself. I've made several now to, for other people. But as I said, this is cable Damascus. It has a very different very different pattern, but I kinda like it, though. It turned out well. What is cable Damascus? It's a steel cable, you know, wire rope, like what you would see on a on the winch or a crane or something like that or a bulldozer, and you forge weld it into a solid piece.

Bob DeMarco [00:32:32]:
You twist it? Or Yeah. You twist

Bobby Raines II [00:32:35]:
it up as tight as it'll go, and then you, forge it out flat. And a lot of guys leave it there, but you end up having a lot of little inclusions and places that didn't well. So I actually went a step further, and, after the initial forge weld, I cut it up and restacked it again and forged it and forge welded it again, and it gives you a really solid solid piece.

Bob DeMarco [00:33:04]:
Okay. So, yeah, I was I was imagining the spaces because a cable's made up of a bunch of wires, basically, and those wires are round. And when they meet each other, there's gonna be some space in there, you know Yes. However small it is.

Bobby Raines II [00:33:18]:
But so this

Bob DeMarco [00:33:19]:
that so what you did was twist it, flatten it, pound it out, and then cut it, and then restack it to kinda get rid of those.

Bobby Raines II [00:33:27]:
Exactly. It's a it's a little kind of a tricky tricky medium to work with, but it I've heard I've heard guys before say that cable Damascus just has a wicked, wicked edge, I guess, just from all those, you know, all those tiny wires that you've weld together just but, this knife really does have a wicked edge.

Bob DeMarco [00:33:52]:
You were gonna show a different Damascus pattern.

Bobby Raines II [00:33:57]:
Yeah. This, this little knife. I don't know if you saw that. I didn't. This is, yeah, I'm trying to get it right here.

Bob DeMarco [00:34:06]:
Is that, like, raindrops?

Bobby Raines II [00:34:08]:
Real well on video. Yeah. Kind of. I know. I was trying to go for a American flag pattern on this. You have raindrops up here, and then you have these, ladder stripes down here, but it didn't turn out quite how I was hoping. But it's it's still a cool pattern.

Bob DeMarco [00:34:29]:
That is a cool pattern.

Bobby Raines II [00:34:30]:
Yeah. Those are the only Damascus blades I actually have on hand at the moment. But

Bob DeMarco [00:34:35]:
So now I was talking about your rainmaker, and you said you had something similar out, that you can show. Is that

Bobby Raines II [00:34:44]:
Well, you'll have to pardon this monstrosity. This is a, trainer trainer slash thrower that I made, but it's the only example I have of the s guard. And, Londo, actually, he I was when we were talking about the knife I was going to send him, he didn't know I was making it for him at that point. But he wanted the asked him what he wanted to see, and he said he wanted a dog bone with an s guard. And, you know, one of his, things that he wanted, he wanted to be able to wrap his finger around the backside of the guard. And one of the things that I heard other guys, complain about the s guard, you know, a lot of them that come out from here are immediately curved downwards. And the complaint was that if the if a knife comes down and hits, that it would shoot shoot straight in straight in at you. And, on mine, I, you can see, you know, from here out, it's basically a straight guard.

Bobby Raines II [00:35:51]:
So if something comes down here, it will, you know, it will catch. And and I like to, have enough of a hook here that, you know, it kinda like kinda like this deal for anyone with the

Bob DeMarco [00:36:08]:
I think that's the shot right there with you holding those two up. Yeah. I so so the interesting thing, before you put that one down with the Esguard Mhmm. The use of the knife, backwards I have a Boker Bowie here. But the the use of the the, Bowie in this in this, fashion with the, main edge point, angled towards you and the sway forward. What what do you know about that? Mountain man style, I hear it called sometimes.

Bobby Raines II [00:36:40]:
Yes. You know, it's a a lot of the a lot of what I know comes from watching Rolando's stuff, actually, about this. But, you know, it's really good for the snap cut. You know, you're striking with that. It's like a back cut into snap cut. And, and, also, you know, when you're if you're blocking or parrying an incoming attack, you can use that thick spine and keep your edge pristine. And, you know, a lot of guys like that back in the day. I, you know, I don't know if, you've ever read any, Louis L'Amour novels, but the hero the the hero always, usually got into a knife fight at least once, and he always held his knife edge up.

Bobby Raines II [00:37:26]:
Lamore must have, picked that up somewhere along the way in his travels.

Bob DeMarco [00:37:30]:
Oh, that's cool.

Bobby Raines II [00:37:32]:
Yeah. It's, you know, just another another tool in the toolbox with the bowie knife.

Bob DeMarco [00:37:38]:
It is a really, really multifaceted knife and, it's it's a it's a shape, that clip point is a shape, that's kind of been around historically for a long time, but it's like with the bowing knife, with the with the swedge, and, with the length and and all that.

Bobby Raines II [00:37:59]:
It's like it was perfected. Yes. It really, really reached a high arc in the, you know, early to mid nineteenth century here in America. It's, I don't think it has an equal in the fighting knife realm.

Bob DeMarco [00:38:18]:
I think I agree with you on that. I got a lot of really, I got a lot of fighting knives. That's kind of what I like to collect.

Bobby Raines II [00:38:26]:
Yes.

Bob DeMarco [00:38:27]:
And, I don't, you know, get into fights and stuff like that, but, I've done some training and I've and I love the variety. You know, I love that I have a bunch of really small fighting knives for for, you know, city streets and that kinda thing, so to speak. Yes. To me, nothing beats that dueling. The one thing that comes close and is kind of, in my opinion, a subset is the Loveless style sub hilt fighter.

Bobby Raines II [00:38:54]:
Yes. It's a well, it's very much inspired by the bowie knife. You know, it's you've got that same click you know, he's got a a full double edge, but you've got that same clip point, you know, point geometry. And, yeah, it's just, I would've I don't know if I would venture quite to call that a Bowie knife, but it's pretty close.

Bob DeMarco [00:39:17]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll it'll do till the Bowie knife gets here. You made one or you made a sub hilt. I saw that you had a sub hilt, fighter on your, page somewhere. I I don't suppose you still have that. I'm sure you sold that one.

Bob DeMarco [00:39:31]:
Right?

Bobby Raines II [00:39:33]:
It might actually still be kicking around here somewhere. I don't think I ever sold that one, but it was, it's not my best work, but it was, an interesting interesting little design. I'd never really messed with sub hilts before with that. I just wanted to try it once.

Bob DeMarco [00:39:52]:
I feel like the sub hilt, I really like it. I like the way it feels when I when I, you know, shadow box with it, so to speak. And I like the concept a lot. And, but the but the and and you can do back cuts and you can do a lot of stuff with that sub hilt, just kinda gripping it between the two fingers and allowing the rest of your hand to open up a little bit. But you can't turn it around. You can't really fight with it, in that reverse grip and

Bobby Raines II [00:40:22]:
Unless the handle's long enough that you can grip behind the behind the sub hill.

Bob DeMarco [00:40:26]:
Right. Right.

Bobby Raines II [00:40:27]:
But no. And you'll mhmm.

Bob DeMarco [00:40:31]:
No. No. Go ahead.

Bobby Raines II [00:40:32]:
You'll notice with the I do lately, on my night, Bowie knives, I've been doing this, barrel here behind the guard. I think that, encourages you to grip it a little bit lower and not right up against the guard. Because what will happen, knife if the knife slides down your blade and catches in the guard, you see we have a bit of a problem here. But if you grip just a little bit back, my hand's safe.

Bob DeMarco [00:41:03]:
Okay. Alright. So if you're just listening, Bobby was showing that if if you're gripping a Bowie knife right up under the guard, and you catch another blade, it can still contact your hand. Yeah. Yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:41:15]:
Yes. Move it back just a little bit and can't get to me.

Bob DeMarco [00:41:22]:
That's interesting. So you so that's not a, that's not a usual, feature in in, say, the Bagwell, is it?

Bobby Raines II [00:41:30]:
Not that I've seen. Yeah. You know, he often will have a a ferrule here, but it's not it's, flushed with the handle.

Bob DeMarco [00:41:38]:
Right. Right. So we've seen we know the benefits of a coffin shaped handle, you know, it Mhmm. It tapers towards the, towards the guard, it widens out towards the pommel, kinda keeps it in your hand. Oftentimes Yes. Where the fingers are, there's a little bit of a curve. Mhmm. But what is the benefit of a dog bone handle?

Bobby Raines II [00:42:00]:
Yes. I don't quite have one. This one's pretty close, actually, of that with to that shape, you know, pretty straight and then flares out. But, I would say the main benefit of the dog bone is that it's a neutral handle. You know, you can hold it like this. You can flip it over. It really lends itself to that edge up methodology. And whereas with a puffin handle or with especially this, stag handle, you see how it drops down.

Bobby Raines II [00:42:32]:
It doesn't really it doesn't really lend itself to the edge up. It doesn't doesn't align. It's too high. And I would say that's the main benefit of the dog bone.

Bob DeMarco [00:42:43]:
So you're saying because there is a slight curve on the bottom portion of the handle, it when you have it in reverse grip like this, what the edge twists you, the knife kind of angles back towards you a little too much.

Bobby Raines II [00:42:56]:
Yes. It just doesn't doesn't quite lend itself to that.

Bob DeMarco [00:43:01]:
Yeah. I have never held a dog bone and, you know, it's it if you've never seen one, it it's like kind of a neutral shaped handle and then it's got two lobes at the pommel. And I always wondered how the how the top lobe, so to speak, kind of touches the the hand and how it engages with the palm, because a lot of this kind of fighting and snap cutting, maneuvers, use a lot of ricochet and, you know, almost like a drumstick in the hand. Mhmm.

Bobby Raines II [00:43:35]:
Yeah. It really, really, you know sorry. Stuttering over my words here. It really, engages the bottom of the hand. It really just shoots that blade forward really good for the snap cut.

Bob DeMarco [00:43:51]:
So okay. Besides Bill Bagwell, which we, obviously, we both obsessed over it. Yeah. Who else do you like these days? Whose whose knives do you like, in terms of companies or other makers? You know, who Jason Knight, you mentioned.

Bobby Raines II [00:44:08]:
Yeah. Jason Knight's been a huge influence on my bladesmithing journey. Not so much the style, but just his methodologies and, you know, ideas as a maker. And I really appreciate his work as well. He does a lot of lot of cool knives. And my go to for production knives is, you know, just cold steel is about it these days. And I've got my, my old Recon one here. Nice.

Bobby Raines II [00:44:36]:
You see we've, you see we've been through been through quite a bit. But, and I've got several of the big Voyagers and stuff as well. I drop them in my coat pockets when it's cold and I can't get to my other stuff.

Bob DeMarco [00:44:49]:
I'm a I'm a huge Cold Steel fan myself.

Bobby Raines II [00:44:52]:
Oh, yes.

Bob DeMarco [00:44:53]:
I I'm a huge fan of their bowies, everything, their whole historical catalog.

Bobby Raines II [00:44:59]:
Yes. I think Lynn Thompson really has done a lot lot of good for the especially the fighting knife community. You know? Yeah. First, you know, back in the early back in the early two thousands, you, you know, why you need a fighting knife for and all this kinda kinda thing, and he really came out with a lot of these knives and made no apologies for it. And a lot of the other knife companies kind of after they seen there was a market for these things, they've kinda followed suit, but he really was the the driving force behind it.

Bob DeMarco [00:45:35]:
You know, I'm I feel like I've been around long enough, and, even before I was making podcasts and a part of the knife world in terms of, meeting people and, long before I met him, I was kind of observant of the fact that a lot of people, a lot of knife people like to turn turn their nose up at, at Lynn Thompson, and they would say things like, well, you know, I don't approve of his marketing, you know, because he cut his legs and and smashed up cars and stuff, cut rope. And to me, I never really understood that because because I always came at it from a I like knives as weapons, Yeah. Or I like those kind of knife.

Bobby Raines II [00:46:19]:
Well, you know, Lynn Thompson always I know he's not in control of Cold Steel anymore, but he always led from the front. I mean, you had to give that to the man. You didn't, you know, I couldn't tell you the name of any of the owners or presidents of other big knife companies off the top of my head, but I could tell you that Lynn Thompson owned Cold Steel.

Bob DeMarco [00:46:38]:
Oh, yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:46:38]:
And, he really was front and center, and he put his name behind his work, and I really respect that. And he really I mean,

Bob DeMarco [00:46:47]:
and then, definitely when the when Andrew Demko came along, that was a match made in heaven. Yes. But he did so much of the designing, of those knives. And, even if he wasn't design even if it was a Demko design, he he had so much to do with the the conceptual part of it. We need this Yes. Kind of knife. And he he's a really, really good practitioner. I mean, he's practiced he's he's been doing Filipino martial arts forever and, and Bowie knife fighting and all sorts of all sorts of fighting.

Bob DeMarco [00:47:22]:
And he's a really very tough guy. Oh, yes. Or and, his story is pretty amazing too.

Bobby Raines II [00:47:30]:
Yes. And something I liked, he said when, you know, when he was running the company, every shipment they got, they would go through and pick out some knives and test them. And, you know, just to ensure that the quality was was there. And if the if it wasn't there, then they would send the whole shipment back. I mean, how many how many guys are doing that, running big companies?

Bob DeMarco [00:47:52]:
Right.

Bobby Raines II [00:47:53]:
I'm not sure, I'm not sure whether that's going on now or not. You hear different stories. I don't know.

Bob DeMarco [00:48:00]:
I I've gotten a lot of cold steels since that sale, though I'm not sure how much. I've been I've been actually, I don't have them right around me, but I've been getting a lot of ones that I missed. Ones Mhmm. You know, I just recently got a Black Bear classic with the with the leather sheath from the old days. Now it's in you can still get it, but it has the the, Grivx sheath.

Bobby Raines II [00:48:23]:
And I'm

Bob DeMarco [00:48:24]:
not I'm not as fond of of that. Yeah. It doesn't

Bobby Raines II [00:48:27]:
quite have the same sole, does it?

Bob DeMarco [00:48:29]:
Yeah. Exactly. But I feel like I've gotten a number of knives, since GSM, and they've been good. You know? Mhmm. So, Yeah. I hope so. Yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:48:40]:
I hope GSM carries it on, and,

Bob DeMarco [00:48:42]:
you know,

Bobby Raines II [00:48:42]:
it's a great company.

Bob DeMarco [00:48:43]:
Yeah. Well, the one thing I I just wanted to say is that I I felt like for years, people were were turning up their nose at him and kind of, like, being all, holier than now about him. And now there's, like, a strange new respect, for him Yeah. That people are showing.

Bobby Raines II [00:49:02]:
Now that he's not, you know, out there outperform outperforming everyone else's product just match up out there in front. You know?

Bob DeMarco [00:49:11]:
Yeah. Exactly. There's a great line from my favorite movie, Chinatown, where, the the villains who's an old guy, the villain says, ugly buildings, whores, and politicians all get respectable if they live long enough. And that's kinda how

Bobby Raines II [00:49:27]:
I feel how

Bob DeMarco [00:49:27]:
a lot of people have, oh, well, Lynn Thompson, we can't we can't, like, say anything bad about him anymore, because he's been around for so long and he's proven.

Bobby Raines II [00:49:37]:
Yeah. He's, he's tough as I come.

Bob DeMarco [00:49:41]:
So for you and your knife knife making, venture, like, how do you see yours shaping up, in terms of not only in terms of what you want to do as a knife maker and where you hope to go as a knife maker, but also, what how you want to grow your business?

Bobby Raines II [00:50:02]:
Man, I just, you know, as a general thing, of course, you know, one of the things that set Bill Bagwell apart was he was not only, you know, a master bladesmith, but he was a master bowie knife practitioner as well. And I think that's one of the things that really allowed him to reach the levels that he did, and I want to emulate that as much as possible. And, you know, I don't know. Just, take a little bit of a little bit at a time and grow it as much as I can.

Bob DeMarco [00:50:37]:
I think, sorry. What's that?

Bobby Raines II [00:50:41]:
Yeah. I said, sorry. I'm not, not the biggest talker, I'm afraid. But

Bob DeMarco [00:50:45]:
Oh, dude. No. But so that makes sense to me because I've seen you with your it's not a Bob dummy, but it's a sort of, sparring dummy that you have with arms. I love that.

Bobby Raines II [00:50:55]:
Oh, yeah.

Bob DeMarco [00:50:56]:
And you're, you know, you're on your way. It it looks like you you know what you're doing.

Bobby Raines II [00:51:03]:
I'm getting there. I like to thank. I appreciate that.

Bob DeMarco [00:51:07]:
Well, I've heard that, Bill Bagwell was a was a big dude and probably not the kinda guy you'd wanna get in a knife fight with in the first place.

Bobby Raines II [00:51:14]:
Probably not.

Bob DeMarco [00:51:16]:
And so that's that's pretty cool that he did he learn from James Keating?

Bobby Raines II [00:51:21]:
I don't know how that worked exactly. They were good friends, I know. And then I don't know if they, you know, one learned from the other or if they just kinda got together and learned from each other. But, yeah, I don't I don't know how that worked out in the beginning.

Bob DeMarco [00:51:38]:
Alright. So now question I like to ask, knife makers like yourself is do you have any sort of aspirational blades? Anything anything that you aspire to make that maybe you're not up to the task yet, but, oh, man, I wanna make a katana or I wanna make a, you know, a a, crusader sword or any, you know, something something that is in your mind that you would like to try and make but haven't quite gotten there yet.

Bobby Raines II [00:52:08]:
No. I've got a lot got a few things in my mind that I think, oh, I can make that someday. Something I've been thinking about lately, I wanna make a, I guess you would call it a small sword with a triangular blade. And, you know, it's a like a eighteenth, early nineteenth century dueling piece. And triangular blades are kind of a, kind of a head scratcher to make, you know, other than just forging it out square and grinding it out, you know, which I don't really wanna do it that way. But, yeah, with the, you know, kinda clamshell guard and the finger rings and

Bob DeMarco [00:52:52]:
Yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:52:53]:
All that. I think that's, that's probably it right now. That might change, but

Bob DeMarco [00:53:01]:
Yeah. The the kind of stuff that George Washington dueled with

Bobby Raines II [00:53:04]:
or or or

Bob DeMarco [00:53:05]:
in his that sounds really cool. How would you go about making a blade like that? Would you have to create some sort of a, I don't know what you would call it. It's not a jig, but some

Bobby Raines II [00:53:15]:
sort of

Bob DeMarco [00:53:16]:
thing that you would pound it into? Or

Bobby Raines II [00:53:18]:
Yes. Like a a swedge block, it's called. It's a it's got the triangular. But then, you know, those blades taper, so that adds an element of difficulty as well. So, like like I said, I'm still scratching my head about that.

Bob DeMarco [00:53:34]:
And it would have to be super springy. Right? Yes. But that that triangular shape might be hard to make springy.

Bobby Raines II [00:53:42]:
Yeah. It, those old smiths knew what what they were doing, miss. They, they really made a lot of interesting stuff. Alright.

Bob DeMarco [00:53:53]:
So one last question for you, and and that is, there might be someone out there, whether they're young or old, but they wanna start and they wanna figure out and they wanna make their own Bowie knife, or their own small sword in later. But what what advice would you give someone to get them started and to get them in a good place to actually do that?

Bobby Raines II [00:54:20]:
And you just, you know, it sounds cliche, but you just kinda gotta start, you know, just like everything else. And, you know, you don't need a whole lot to get started. You know, you got a little bit of something for an anvil and a way to get things hot and and you can make things.

Bob DeMarco [00:54:37]:
Well, there you go. That that's I mean, that's good enough advice because, really, you could you could put enough hurdles in your way by saying, oh, well, I need a special kind of forge first.

Bobby Raines II [00:54:48]:
Yeah. I mean

Bob DeMarco [00:54:48]:
Or I need a $1,800, anvil or something.

Bobby Raines II [00:54:53]:
I mean, you watch videos of guys from, you know, Nepal on different places like this making cupris, and they've got got, like, a sledgehammer head set in some concrete for an anvil. Yeah. And they and they squat over that and forge their blades. So it's it's crazy.

Bob DeMarco [00:55:10]:
Yeah. That's funny that you say that. It's true, like, thinking of Filipino knife. I've got a lot of Filipino swords and knives and and Yes. When you see them working, it's the same thing. They're like, you know, they're to our, modern western eye, it looks primitive, but they're making these amazing Oh. And very finished pieces. Fantastic work.

Bobby Raines II [00:55:34]:
Yeah. So you, you don't need a whole lot other than skill. Other than skill.

Bob DeMarco [00:55:40]:
So, how can someone get in touch with you? They've seen your work here on the show. If someone is interested in commissioning a knife from you, what's the best way for them to get in touch?

Bobby Raines II [00:55:52]:
Yeah. The best way right now is on my Instagram. It's, bobby underscore reigns underscore two, and you can message me on there, and we'll talk and get you sorted out. Planning on getting a website up here pretty soon, but that's not here yet.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:10]:
Gotcha. Instagram it is. What a great, boon to knife makers Instagram is. You can just show your work off and people can communicate with you. Works works well. Yes.

Bobby Raines II [00:56:21]:
Mhmm.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:21]:
Well, Bobby

Bobby Raines II [00:56:22]:
Yeah, it's great.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:23]:
I wanna thank you for coming on the Knife Junkie podcast. I've admired your work, from afar. You've come on Thursday Night Knives and commented, please keep coming back, I wanna keep the conversation going, And, one of these days Yes. I'm gonna get me a rainmaker. And,

Bobby Raines II [00:56:39]:
Well, sure.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:39]:
Add it to my collection.

Bobby Raines II [00:56:40]:
We'll make it happen. Cool. Thank you

Bob DeMarco [00:56:43]:
so much, Bobby. I appreciate it. Yeah.

Bobby Raines II [00:56:44]:
Thank you for having me.

Bob DeMarco [00:56:45]:
My pleasure. Thank you.

Announcer [00:56:47]:
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Bob DeMarco [00:57:08]:
There he goes, ladies and gentlemen. Bobby Raines the second. Now if you wanna see some of these knives in action, just Google his name and you'll find, videos, from Rolando, actually using them. If you don't know Rolando, you you should check out some of our, recent, conversations here on the show, Expert Knifebiter, and he's really super impressed, with Bobby's work, and how it flows, how it feels, how it moves. And then you can get some close-up beautiful close-up video of those knives there as well. Alright. For Jim working his magic behind the switcher, I'm Bob DeMarco saying until next time, Don't take dull for an answer.

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