The First Tool Segment Features The Kris, Blade Show and COVID-19, and Knife Life News — The Knife Junkie Podcast (Episode 95)

On the mid-week supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast (Episode #95), Bob takes a fascinating look back in history at The Kris during The First Tool Segment, and Bob and Jim talk about Blade Show and the Coronavirus (COVID-19) situation.

In Knife Life News, Bob covers Kopis Designs mid-tech Ed Calderon Elvia, the Steel Will Avior, Boker’s new fixed blade knives and Ontario’s new affordable titanium frame lock folder.

Links to stories, podcast episodes mentioned and the knives covered in the podcast can be found below.

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Announcer 0:03
Welcome to the Knife Junkie podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting. Here's your hosts Jim Person and Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco

Jim Person 0:16
Hello Knife Junkie and welcome to episode number 95 it's the midweek supplemental episode of The Knife Junkie podcast I'm Jim the knife newbie person and I'm Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco Welcome to the show. Welcome to the Knife Junkie Podcast the place for knife newbies like myself and Knife Junkie like yourself to learn all about knives and knife collecting our midweek show where we get to dive deep into happenings in the knife world talk about knife news other stuff going on and Bob, one thing we wanted to start the show with before we kind of get into the knife life news segment as well as our first tool segment this week was about a What do you call it crowdsourcing thing with bone daddy Blade works that we have talked about lately, I think at least last week.

Bob DeMarco 1:03
Yeah, that's right. A couple of weeks back we talked about the bone daddy blade works axis hand axe knife multi tool. It's a an unusual multi tool because it doesn't fold. It is a fixed blade knife that has a number of different handholds with it's a very unique shape that also attaches very handily to some sort of a any sort of improvised haft and you can turn it into an axe. It's a really cool looking product and and it seems you know, just from looking at it, like it would be a great sort of piece of kit to have for survival. You know, in your car in your in your bug out bag or in your in your camping gear. Anyway, Shawn Hohmann, he's the head of bone daddy blade blade works he does this with his wife, it's cool, small family company got back in touch with me to let me know that they are fully funded. Actually, they're over fully funded, and they're they're still about a week left on there. I believe It's a Kickstarter campaign to get this axis into production. So that's really good news. Not Not every crowdsourcing project gets funded. So it's really great to hear when something does get funded, especially when it's small family business. And it's such a unique and interesting different sort of product to bring to the knife market.

Jim Person 2:20
Right. As you said, not only great, because it's a small business, but obviously we're biased because it's a it's a knife world product.

Bob DeMarco 2:29
Exactly.

Jim Person 2:30
It's got to be funded. Hey, and I'm sure just because they're overly funded doesn't mean that you can't still hop on the the Kickstarter campaign for like said, Bob, just for the next few days and while it's still open, so definitely check that out. For me, I definitely go from good to bad, maybe or seemingly getting worse or just real. Yeah, Corona virus Kovac 19. Got to talk about that a little bit this past Thursday on Thursday. knives one of the show topics was should blade show be canceled? And I would, I would say about half and a half Bob, the books that we're watching at least live, haven't looked through the replay comments, but, you know, about half and half are like no, it should not be canceled in about 50%. Were saying yes, it should be canceled.

Bob DeMarco 3:20
You know, I think maybe it might divide down the, you know, we all we all make decisions first and foremost and on how they affect us. I myself and I'm in my late middle 40s I'm edging towards, you know, I'm edging my way through middle age and I have children and I have elderly. Well, I have robustly senior parents and in laws and I don't want to, you know, I don't want to bring anything to them. Right. You know, even though I'm so excited about this being my first blade show, you know, discretion. Well, no, no, that's not the right term. What is the right term?

Unknown Speaker 3:57
Well,

Jim Person 3:58
better, better safe than sorry.

Jim Person 4:00
Yeah, that's it, take precautions, do what you need to, you know, ensure the safety of you and more. So your family and friends, you know, you have to, you know, as I've been following moral along with this, it's just amazing how this thing trickles and spreads you know, and that's that's what's causing it and while you may not be in that senior vulnerable population I am so you know, that's that's interesting, you know, interesting thing for me to think about going to blade show, even next weekend a family wedding in North Carolina. And I know you recently canceled a trip to New York because

Bob DeMarco 4:42
yeah, the outbreak Yeah, this past weekend, we were going to go to New York and have a have a good old time. It was going to be my youngest daughter's first trip there. So we were excited for that. But in any case, we stayed home and one good thing from that as well. We we all got to get all of our house tours out of the way. So now We're just we're just we have free time so I got a chance to dig back into my knife making

Jim Person 5:05
Oh, I thought you were gonna say more time for more time for you guys to get on each other's nerves.

Bob DeMarco 5:11
Well in order to stave that off, I got back into my knife making so I had I had some heat treated blades leftover, you know, when we started this podcast I was in I was doing that as a hobby on weekends and and this sort of took over that. And so I've had a couple of heat treated blades sitting fallow for about a year and I have all the materials and tools I needed to handle them. So I started putting handles on them and just spent the weekend doing that and it reignited my my love for it. I primarily do stuff with my hands. That's my artistic out. But lately it hasn't been so it was great to get back in the in the saddle.

Jim Person 5:51
Well it was interesting. Again referring to this past Thursday night knives you actually had one of your friends who you had made a knife for that Actually hopped in the comments when you were when you guys were talking about that. So that was that was pretty cool at least for me to watch. I don't know how it was for you on the receiving end of that. I it was it was shocking.

Bob DeMarco 6:10
It was cool. he happens to be a an officer of the law. And I don't know why having an officer of the law pop into the show. I mean students God made me feel like oh my gosh, what am I doing wrong? Of course I was doing nothing wrong. Yeah, I made them a little little boot knife. A little little boot Warren Cliff when he is a motor cop.

Jim Person 6:30
All right, cool deal. Talking about Corona virus co vid we mentioned blade show on Thursday night knives, you know, some for someone against canceling. But the virus unfortunately is already affecting some shows worldwide, bub

Bob DeMarco 6:44
Yeah. Remember, we talked about the iOS show the outdoor classics. It's the it's the huge European outdoor equipment show and a lot of knife makers, European and American and you know worldwide show they're well they are Had canceled it initially. And then they just rescheduled it for September, September 3 through 620 20. And their aim is now to just, you know, it's always been in March historically, now that they're moving into September for this year. They're going to keep it in September, in consequent years, just to sort of keep it regular, and it'll still be nurenberg at their Exhibition Center in Germany. So it's good to hear that it's not just canceled, you know, a lot of people rely on these shows to make contacts and to make sales and to keep afloat livelihood. Yep. It's nice to hear that they haven't just outright canceled it but they're optimistically pushing it pushing it back.

Jim Person 7:43
And something about tops knives. Oh, yeah,

Bob DeMarco 7:45
I was looking on Instagram and it seems that tops has canceled their participation in a number of upcoming shows. I don't know if that includes blade show or what but yeah, they announced it on Instagram. I don't know if it was announcement as it was just sort of an offhanded comment in one of the posts so since we're since we've cancelled all of our upcoming shows, we want to let you know that we're still busting out knives. Another thing I want to mention, I heard an economist talking on the Joe Rogan podcast or another podcast about how buying goods from other countries and importing goods is not an issue. So if you're concerned about mine, and selling knives, or especially buying knives, apparently, merchandise and receiving merchandise is not much of an issue. However, if you're buying from the secondary market, you still may want to, I don't know I do this anyway, whenever I get a new knife, I've always done this. I kind of wipe it down with alcohol before I even touch it. You never know who you're getting it from. And I'm, you know, I'm all great guys, but you know, never know what they touch great before they put it in.

Jim Person 8:48
Again, better safe than sorry. Yeah,

Bob DeMarco 8:50
yeah. And if you have a if you have a legacy of paranoia, such as myself, you'll do things like this.

Jim Person 8:56
Alright. Hey, stay with us. We've got some stories. Some knife life news we're gonna get into and hang around. Bob's gonna do a first tool segment talking about the Chris,

Announcer 9:08
you're listening to the knife junkie podcast. It's time now for the latest knife life news.

Bob DeMarco 9:13
So recently there's been a lot of talk of the knife called Elvia by Ed Calderon. Ed Calderon is a prominent former counter narco agent who worked in in the Mexican cartel worked forging the Mexican cartels, if you will. And he's got a blog called Ed's Manifesto. It's pretty famous and he talks about the different things that are happening in cartel controlled Mexico. And he talks about some of his misadventures or whatever you want to call them in being law enforcement down there and survival tactics and stuff like that. Anyway, he's he's had this knife that he's carried as his ultimate backup for years. It's he calls it the Elvia which is his mother's name. This knife was his mother. All around utility kitchen paring knife and it was something that she carried with her and it was something that she used for everything, chores around the house prepping food, this and that. But it also came in handy when they were attacked on the street and she saved her family with this little knife. And so at Calderon has had a number of these made up a custom version. Recently we talked about how Emerson knives is making a folding version of this knife. And now copas designs, someone I've reached out to I'd love to have on the show, john bullets is sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name, he has come out with a mid tech version of the Calderon Elvia it is a fixed bladed version. And it is an interesting take on the whole mid tech concept. Usually, designers and makers use mid tech knives to push out high end reproductions of even higher end customs. Well, in this case, this mid tech version is is bringing this to the broader public making this form factor more affordable to people. It's an 154 Cm it's two and a half inches. The blade is sort of a hawk build shaped blade. But the handle is gr and it's molded grn and it fits in a in a super slim package. It's like a kydex sheath. So really the the most interesting thing to me is not only this, this very unique sort of pick call setup knife is is going mainstream but also that it's coming out in a mid tech version brought out by john ball. It's his bald head lenses at a fraction of the price of what you might expect from a med tech knife. JOHN, by the way, is protege of Matt Martin of vehement knives we've. We talked to him on the show, Matt Martin, who makes amazing, amazing fixed blade knives. As a matter of fact, we had Rob Bixby on the show recently and he said that he thinks Matt Martin is the one of the final He said the finest fixed blade maker of his generation these days so that's quite a common anyway. So look for this ad Calderon Elvia Ed's Manifesto. The first version of it sold the first batch sold really quickly, but they're they're putting a whole nother one into production so

Jim Person 12:17
sounds cool. Yeah. Moving on with knife life news. What is it Bob every week we're talking about steel will

Bob DeMarco 12:24
yeah and it's true and yet this is only the second knife that's coming out from them for 2020 so far. This is their it's called the AVR. And it's Let me see it's the usual D to G 10 steel liners, four and a half ounces. You know it just looks like a steel. Well, it's pretty cool looking. And I bet it's a workhorse. It's got a nice forward finger choil and they really, really on this one worked hard on the action. Apparently you can look at it you can look at where the pivot and the flipper tab are When it's open, and they are thrust quite forward on the handle, and as a matter of fact, the handle even reaches forward to accommodate a more forward placement of the pivot and, and the flipper tab, which makes the action on this thing apparently, really, really sweet. It's got ceramic ball bearing pivots, which is nice for a relatively inexpensive knife, and these things will be coming out March 16. Now this is the second one. Like you said, we've talked about a lot of the knives we've talked a lot about the knives they have in the offing, but this is only the second one to be released behind the screamer, which is a really cool looking knife. I love that screamer funny name and a little too short for my taste but

Bob DeMarco 13:43
cool knife.

Bob DeMarco 13:44
So that just came out a couple of days ago. Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yeah, March 16. Yeah, March 16. Yeah. All right. So the past weekend. It's actually Monday.

Bob DeMarco 13:56
nights are not your strong suit. No, no, they're not as a matter of fact, the Monday is just The last day of the weekend. Oh,

Jim Person 14:03
I like that way. Look at that. I like that. Alright, let's talk about more new knives involving bokor

Bob DeMarco 14:10
yes blade. Yep, just wanted to bring out the that bokor has two new outdoor fixed blades coming out and one of them is called the Commodore Commodore with a K. And it's the sequel to the Kormoran, which came out I believe last year it was a smaller outdoor fixed blade, both designed by Hungarian knife maker sand or HeyGuys. I'm thinking I don't speak Hungarian. I'm thinking that's how you pronounce his name, who who's known for his rugged outdoor fixed plays. Now this Commodore is a 7.6 inch drop point blade with a it's a very plain looking knife I gotta say but it looks like all business. It's SK five, which is carbon steel, but it's coated. So it's a slightly less thick than a quarter and it's gonna it's gonna wall up as a chopper. So yeah g 10 handle skills, full tang, check out this weight gym 16.76 ounces. So this sucker is a

Jim Person 15:07
pound, one pound, and just over the limit to ship first class.

Bob DeMarco 15:15
The second one from them is by storied and much loved just for boxing is a guy I'd love to interview he just keeps he's he's an interesting guy. Anyway, he's got something coming out called the NES me pro and it's a smaller his version of the NES MK and if you don't know, the NES MK is a is a famous outdoor knife pattern, you know, kind of famous with campers and outdoorsman. So this nest Pro is a much smaller than usual nest book. It's got it's got a contoured handle, which is a little bit unusual. And it's got a D tube plated steel, it's got Canvas micarta and it'll only be about 65 bucks or so which is way less than the previous version of his, of his nazma just 2.6 inch blade and 2.75 ounces. So small light, and if it's from Vox nez, it's gonna look cool as hell and feel great in your hand. So, huh, sounds exciting.

Jim Person 16:15
And it's 65 bucks. pretty affordable. Yeah. Well speaking of affordable, we're gonna talk about a new affordable titanium frame lock folder from Ontario. That's right, what's their different what's their definition of affordable?

Bob DeMarco 16:30
Well, they are so famous at ontario knife company in terms of folders for the rat one and rat two models and and i mean just for over 10 years, those have been like highly recommended, budget conscious, etc. They're beautifully designed, beautifully executed and inexpensive and coming in a variety of steels variety, meaning OS eight or D two. So now they've come out with something new that I imagine. They hope will sort of pick up the mantle of the rat, the rat models and kind of push push things upward a little bit. It's called the shukra. When I first saw it, I thought it was Shakira the shukra. And it is an interesting sort of combination of budget and Lux. It's a titanium frame lock micarta handled OS eight flipper. It's 3.2 inches, the blade, it's it's a drop point. It's got a nice slender profile. The micarta handle looks beautiful. And, you know, it just seems like a great thing for them to come out with my one reservation. Of course, as you guessed from the pregnant pause before I mentioned it is the OS eight steel. What's up with us eight steel, Ontario knife company, you're an American knife company. You're making your knives in America, right? So why not just using American steel and something that's not such a dog. People don't like it. Hot Seat. I mean, you know, they like it as much as they like eight car and it works and it's fine. But you can, you can now get better Steel's for similar costs. And and they're saying, Ontario knife and tool is saying what the hell do you know about building knives at cost? You have no idea. So shut up, Bob. And that's a good point. However, I must say if you want to sell these things, how about you put eight, you put like in 690 or D two? How about D two, just D two people are doing D two, it's working. So I think it's a great idea for Ontario knife company to come out with an inexpensive titanium frame lock folder with my carta. Love it. Just put on a steel that's not going to make people raise their eyebrows. I know OS eight is fine, and I never pushed it to its limit. But I don't know it's a little tone deaf at this point.

Jim Person 18:52
I think you did a you know fairly decent impersonation of Ontario knife but go ahead and extend the invitation. to Ontario knife to come on the podcast talk about this as well as other great things. Somebody has done the rat, the rat knives and those kind of things. So open invitation there to Ontario or any other knife maker knife purveyor to come on the show or a Sunday interview show we'll give you a great platform to do that. So to justify your faulty

Unknown Speaker 19:19
decisions. Oh,

Jim Person 19:22
Bob DeMarco. Just kidding. Yeah, and you can email him at Bob at the knife.

Announcer 19:28
And now that we're caught up with knife life news, let's hear more of The Knife Junkie podcast.

Jim Person 19:34
All right, Bob, but kind of good natured humor. They're a little ribbing on you. But seriously, do encourage folks to to email you at Bob at The Knife Junkie calm or call our listener line. If you have any questions or comments. We would love to get your feedback and then play those back on the podcast 724664487 724-466-4487 That's the number to call to give us your comments, your critiques your questions, we would definitely love to hear from you and get some conversation, the conversation going. And speaking of kind of conversation and engagement, one of the neat things last Thursday night on Thursday night lives, which is bombs live YouTube video show that you and your guest co host traditionally always do a pocket check at the beginning of the show, but this past Thursday, just kind of evolved into a pocket check with all the listeners and I really found that pretty cool that you know, everybody's throwing up on the comments, you know, what they carried in their pocket and you and an Alex, the guest co host last Thursday had a chance to kind of riff on those a little bit. So I think we're going to be doing the pocket check as a regular thing on Thursday night knives. So yes, yes.

Bob DeMarco 20:48
I realized on that evening that I hadn't done that in a little while. I don't think so. It was so cool to hear people chime in with what they carried. Half of the more probably lying but I'm just kidding. There were some pretty sweet knives named I think someone was carrying up Brian he froze. He's a new new knife maker a relatively new, right that is making some cool stuff

Jim Person 21:11
I saw I saw you writing down, you know, like, Oh, we got to add that one to my collection.

Bob DeMarco 21:15
Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Person 21:17
How many pages is your is your to buy lists now?

Bob DeMarco 21:20
It's a short list. As a matter of fact, I try not to keep one. I try not to keep on though though. From time to time. I'll make a little list. Okay. All right.

Announcer 21:29
It's time for some knife history with the first tool here on the knife junkie podcast.

Bob DeMarco 21:34
I wanted to talk a little bit about the Chris Jim because I've been talking a lot about the Chris recently with the two releases the 220 20 Cold Steel releases the Signature Series highlight Chris and the the extra large, Voyager, Chris. These models really you know, I was looking forward to something from cold steel in a crisp form and then they came out with something This year and so I was very happy snatch them both up but it made me It made me think about Chris's a lot and you know when you show the knife to people they initially frequently will initially assume it's just kind of a novelty there to look cool and you know to be scary but really the the Chris shape blade has well it's been around for a long time and it's had a mystical significance that people are aware of, but it's also a very very practical weapon not not maybe so much utility knife but it is an incredible weapon So anyway, the Chris came out of Southeast Asia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines that area and they think that it and Java I guess is where initially sprung up but they think that it was perhaps a an offshoot of a, of a long, wavy bladed glazed like weapon that the Chinese used, you know, Everything just kind of, you know, human history is one big, long movement, people moving around the planet. And you can really track that when you look at blades, you can see how weapons, especially in the Philippines, were evolved from European, Chinese African, you know, because they're a maritime culture. So they had all these influences. The Chris is a wavy bladed sword, which sometimes you'll see in a straight blade, they think that it comes from the Stingray tail as if to emulate the tail of a stingray, and it frequently will have a handle that's angled off of the blade in such a way that it facilitates sort of a pistol grip, or an extension of the forearm so so that when you're thrusting forward, your hand can take can stay in a natural posture. Okay, so this is the really interesting thing when I started looking at Chris's, a real Chris and actual Chris has to have a rough surface texture Because what they were doing was you had to you had to make a Chris from a number of different Steel's, or a number of different metals and it would end up rough and grainy and sort of domestic scene. You know, with swirling patterns, you'd be able to, especially with an acid etch, you'd be able to see the different Steel's in the blade. And the reason that they are frequently rough and kind of grainy in texture. Physical physical texture is that meteorite was seen as a critical ingredient in the steel if you could get your hands on some meteorite, which obviously has magical qualities to it and blended into the steel and folded into the steel you would have a better blade, but also it creates what the blade Smiths down there called Pam or M or pa mo R, which is that sort of patina, that sort of rough, grainy patina. And it's interesting in the book I was reading I have a bunch of books on swords as you may imagine. One of the books I was reading was saying that many many knife collector has destroyed a fine Chris by thinking they needed to polish it by thinking they got some old busted Yeah. And and they Polish away the the, you know the hammer the blade. So an interesting one of the design qualities of the Chris is how it widens at the base. So you'll have these sinuous curves and as it gets towards the the hilt, it widens out into a bunch of symbolic notches and teeth that are kind of carved into the hill. It extends back over the wrist more than it does over the fingers. And these teeth can be used also in in a battle like fashion. If you're if you're up close, those teeth act as you know as weapons in and of themselves. Now, due to how long and how difficult it is to forge in the waves of a Criss blade. You will also see a lot of straight bladed creases, because they were quicker, easier to make. And, you know, take less skilled, different Smith's have different skill levels. And if you need a Chris pretty quick because the battles coming, you're not going to worry too much about about the waves. But the waves themselves symbolic of a stingray tail. Also, the number of curves has some symbolism. I know that 13 is a big number with the curves in the Indonesian creases, but I'm not exactly sure what that means. They also have a very practical application. In a slash those waves if you're slashing against someone's flesh with those waves, they act as a servation as servation. So it's like the undulations act as durations like on a bread knife and cut, cut and slash ever deeper, but also on a thrust. The waves have the practical application of widening the wound channel, as as pushed forward because you Because of the waves become ever thicker and wider it it has that sort of grisly sort of effect. So a couple of interesting mystical aspects about the Chris and old Chris, an old well used Chris should be raised to the forehead in a in a salutation that's part of kind of the Cali salutation. It's to show respect because these things have magical forces in them. At least that's that's how it's perceived. You're never to point the Chris at anyone, even if it's in the sheath, because it will bring bad luck on that person. Oh, yeah, it'll project its magic.

Jim Person 27:39
Hopefully you haven't done that with yours.

Bob DeMarco 27:41
Well, we'll get to that in a second. I found out something interesting about my Chris to match the Chris with the user. So if someone's went to the Chris store and buying a Chris, kind of like Harry Potter in the wand store, Yes, exactly. You hold the Chris in your hand and you repeat this sort of poem. It's kind of like she loves me. She Love know she loves me She loves me. She loves me and if you end down she loves me not you put that Chris down and you pick up a different Chris because that is not the Chris for you. So it's like it obviously it's not she loves me She loves me not it's a it's an ancient Southeast Asian poem, but it kind of has the same effect interesting. Now in peacetime a real man walks around with his Chris all the time, but he leaves it on the right side and that that shows that with his right hand it would make it much more difficult to draw and use it so so yes, I'm a man I'm wearing my Chris but it's on my right side. That means I'm chill and it's peacetime but in confrontation on the street or in battle, you move that over to the left hand side, and it means I mean business. So you're shifting that Chris over to the left now can be easily drawn with your right hand and you can just go to work and oftentimes in battle they would bring to Chris's or three Chris's to meaning one wielded nee Chan, the Philippine especially in the Philippines. They're very Good at that sort of two handed fighting and then the family Chris, also with you to bring you good luck and and magic. In Java, the Chris, which in Java is long and thin and very curvy is used to eggs was used for executions kind of Roman style if you've ever seen the movie Gladiator towards in the beginning, some treacherous captains are trying to kill the main character Maximus and they put him on his knees and they're about to thrust the sword downward, parallel to the spine, between the clavicle and the and the shoulder blade and it goes right into the heart and kills you pretty quick. Well, they would do the same thing in java using the Chris except they would put a wad of cloth there and thrust through the cloth and then as they draw it out, wipe it off. Very efficient. pretty ingenious. Yeah. Anyway, this is obviously a brief bullet point. Look at the Chris because it's a very long and interesting and convoluted history because of all the many, many thousands of different islands in Southeast Asia that it resided on in these different archipelagos. So I have a Chris that's been hanging on my wall behind me. If you've ever watched Thursday night knives, you've seen it. And in doing this research, I realized it's not a Chris after all. It's called a Sunday, and a Sunday is a polished bladed sword. So the elements of making the sword are different. It's a polished blade. The blade is broader, thinner, and has a long portion of straight after the waves. It's got an S shaped tilt, a tubular handle, and all of these things make it not a Chris I totally thought I had to Chris for years and years. But, but I have a Sunday and actually it's a very robust sword and maybe even I don't know, I don't know. Maybe other than more Battle worthy who knows

Jim Person 31:03
your Sundang is better than a Kris

Bob DeMarco 31:06
okay and just in wrapping up I want to reference how I brought this in the cold steel Chris's now if you look at them the cold steel Voyager Chris actually resembles more of a Sunday it's got a wider, broader blade and the Twilight version the one that looks like the Italian switchblade looks more like an Indonesian Chris. It's more sinuous. It's thinner and the and the and the waves are more dramatic. So I don't know if he intended this but in in putting out these two knives. Well, Lynn Thompson scratched two inches I didn't know I had. So I'm pretty sure he wasn't intending on that.

Jim Person 31:44
Well, you never know the things you learned in your research. Maybe were part of the design of those knives. Yeah, learn those little little ancient bits of history.

Bob DeMarco 31:55
If you're at all interested in the Chris, please take what I've just told you as the cliff Notes go read a book or look at the Wikipedia page that's pretty in depth. It is a fascinating history.

Announcer 32:07
And that's this week's look at knife history with the first tool and now back to the Knife Junkie podcast.

Jim Person 32:13
All right back on the Knife Junkie podcast Bob again, kudos compliments. You know, history was an OK subject for me in high school in college, but it's, it's, it's really good just just enough to kind of whet the whistle and whet the appetite, learn some stuff, and maybe entice folks to go learn more about the subject of the first tool. Well, you know, it's kind of interesting, Jim, is that any area of it'll tell

Bob DeMarco 32:37
me I will tell you any area of interest you have different reaches back in time is a great way to learn about history. You know, just cracking history book didn't didn't interest me ever but learning about history through art or learning through history, learning about history through weapons did so maybe that's a good way to do it.

Jim Person 32:55
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Bob DeMarco 34:07
Well Jim I'm is this we talked a little bit about the wider world today I'm just glad I went through my paranoia phase A few years back and stocked up on all this stuff when I thought the world was ending before so this is oh you know, everybody take this seriously and take good care of yourselves and you know, we got knives to take care of so I mean I'm sorry we've got family and people to take care of so take care of yourself too.

Jim Person 34:31
I think you probably spoke correctly

Bob DeMarco 34:33
there

Jim Person 34:35
alright everybody for Bob The Knife Junkie DeMarco I'm Jim that I've newbie person. Want to say thank you so much for listening to the Knife Junkie podcast and be sure, wash your hands frequently.

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